Hognose update - Page 2

Gregg M · 12-16-12, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

How is that confusing? You said these guys burrow, not hide. This snake is hiding, not burrowing.

~Maggot

That sentence is exactly what is confusing about you.
The reason for them to burrow is to hide, but it also helps them to thermoregulate and to retain moisture.

Besides all that, attempting to burrow into a fake background does not constitute "hiding".

EmbraceCalamity · 12-16-12, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

That sentence is exactly what is confusing about you.
The reason for them to burrow is to hide, but it also helps them to thermoregulate and to retain moisture.

Besides all that, attempting to burrow into a fake background does not constitute "hiding".

The OP states that his concern is because the snake likes to squeeze behind it. Later he says that it's trying to "burrow" into it (though I'm not sure a snake can really burrow into a solid object), but you still stated that these snakes won't hide if they can burrow under something. Despite that, this snake was refusing to burrow under his substrate and was hiding behind the wall. My simple point is that this snake's behaviour is contradicting your original statement - that they will burrow under substrate if it's provided. It was provided in this instance, and that's not what the snake has been doing.

~Maggot

Gregg M · 12-16-12, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

but you still stated that these snakes won't hide if they can burrow under something.

Maybe you should re-read what I wrote before you quote me. I never said they will not hide. I said was.....

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

You can put 10 hides in there. If there is a substrate they can burrow in, that is where they will go. They will not seek a hide box unless you have given them no other choice by keeping them on paper towels or news paper.

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

My simple point is that this snake's behaviour is contradicting your original statement - that they will burrow under substrate if it's provided. It was provided in this instance, and that's not what the snake has been doing.

So you are not actually confused. You are just being a wiseass. The OP never said the snake was not burrowing. The OP stated that it was using its rostral scale in an attempt to burrow into the fake rock wall.

Do you keep hognose snakes by any chance?

Ryodraco · 12-16-12, 03:00 PM

Sorry if I ended up confusing anyone. He is burrowing, he just likes to squeeze behind the background too.

Anyway I have removed the background as I stated before he was making a mess of it and would probably destroy it eventually. I deepened the aspen too and now he is resting with all but his head under it. Once I get a static-cling background he should feel even more secure.

If I were to theorize then being in a new place made him more nervous and he went to extra lengths to feel safe.

On another note, what about the moist hide? I have one of thsoe Exo Terra snake hides you put moss in in there. Gregg M if they usually don't use hides then will they still use a moist hide when they need it? I presume so as you recommend humid hides in the caresheet.

Gregg M · 12-16-12, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryodraco

On another note, what about the moist hide? I have one of thsoe Exo Terra snake hides you put moss in in there. Gregg M if they usually don't use hides then will they still use a moist hide when they need it? I presume so as you recommend humid hides in the caresheet.

Yes, they will use it provided it is filled to the brim with a humid substrate they can burrow in. I use coco fiber in my humid hides/lay boxes. Some people use spagnum moss. Both are acceptable substrates for the application.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-16-12, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

Yes, they will use it provided it is filled to the brim with a humid substrate they can burrow in. I use coco fiber in my humid hides/lay boxes. Some people use spagnum moss. Both are acceptable substrates for the application.

I personally like coco fiber. I've heard from people that have used both that it holds moisture better than moss, though I can't personally attest to it.

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

Maybe you should re-read what I wrote before you quote me. I never said they will not hide. I said was.....

So you are not actually confused. You are just being a wiseass. The OP never said the snake was not burrowing. The OP stated that it was using its rostral scale in an attempt to burrow into the fake rock wall.

Do you keep hognose snakes by any chance?

If I were being a wiseass, I would admit to it. But I'm not. I'm asking a genuine question. You said they won't seek a hide unless there's no burrowing option, but this one was hiding behind the background, which I wouldn't personally consider the same as burrowing under something.

~Maggot

Ryodraco · 12-16-12, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I personally like coco fiber. I've heard from people that have used both that it holds moisture better than moss, though I can't personally attest to it.If I were being a wiseass, I would admit to it. But I'm not. I'm asking a genuine question. You said they won't seek a hide unless there's no burrowing option, but this one was hiding behind the background, which I wouldn't personally consider the same as burrowing under something.

~Maggot

He had to burrow to get to the area behind the background. To him it may have seemed like he had found some underground chamber to excavate.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-16-12, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryodraco

He had to burrow to get to the area behind the background. To him it may have seemed like he had found some underground chamber to excavate.

So he was burrowed under something? I got the impression he was just behind the thing 'cause you said he was perfectly visible. I guess I'm just not understanding what you're saying it was doing. It's not a big deal as long as it's doing well; I was just curious about the whole thing.

~Maggot

Gregg M · 12-16-12, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I personally like coco fiber. I've heard from people that have used both that it holds moisture better than moss, though I can't personally attest to it.

I used both. You are correct. The coco fiber seems to do a better job all around.

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

If I were being a wiseass, I would admit to it. But I'm not. I'm asking a genuine question. You said they won't seek a hide unless there's no burrowing option, but this one was hiding behind the background, which I wouldn't personally consider the same as burrowing under something.

Well it just seemed that way. Sorry for me calling you a wiseass then.

Anyway, as Ryodraco just explained, the snake actually had to burrow in order to get behind the background. So maybe that answers some questions you may have.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-16-12, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

Well it just seemed that way. Sorry for me calling you a wiseass then.

It's pretty obvious when I'm being a wiseass.

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

Anyway, as Ryodraco just explained, the snake actually had to burrow in order to get behind the background. So maybe that answers some questions you may have.

I think you and I consider "burrowing" to be two different things. I wouldn't mind having one of these snakes someday though.

~Maggot

StudentoReptile · 12-16-12, 05:40 PM

For the record, I never said that no hognose would NEVER use a hide. I only gave what my experience was.

Personally, I think you were deliberately being a bit obtuse as well. But oh well...

EmbraceCalamity · 12-16-12, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

For the record, I never said that no hognose would NEVER use a hide. I only gave what my experience was.

Personally, I think you were deliberately being a bit obtuse as well. But oh well...

Well I already stated that I wasn't and that I was genuinely curious, but whatever. Apparently I'm just a diabolical, obtuse *** and then covering it up by saying I'm just curious. Sure, because that's definitely something I'd do. I'm also an alien who can read your thoughts.

~Maggot

StudentoReptile · 12-16-12, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

Well I already stated that I wasn't and that I was genuinely curious, but whatever. Apparently I'm just a diabolical, obtuse *** and then covering it up by saying I'm just curious. Sure, because that's definitely something I'd do. I'm also an alien who can read your thoughts.

~Maggot

At least you have the courage to own up to it.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-16-12, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

At least you have the courage to own up to it.

I have no desire to lie to anyone here about anything. If I'm gonna be an ***, I'll be obvious about it and gladly admit to it. If I'm gonna be an alien who reads thoughts, I'll gladly admit that too. Y'all aren't worth lying to.

~Maggot

Ryodraco · 12-16-12, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

So he was burrowed under something? I got the impression he was just behind the thing 'cause you said he was perfectly visible. I guess I'm just not understanding what you're saying it was doing. It's not a big deal as long as it's doing well; I was just curious about the whole thing.

~Maggot

Maybe I can clarify some more, the background has an opening on the bottom for wires and such to go through and this opening leads to a space behind the background for those same wires to go through (the wires enter from holes in the rear of the terrarium top, the idea of the background is partly to hide the wires from view when looking at the front of the terrarium).

The aforementioned opening is at the bottom of the background so to get to it Stubs had to dig into the aspen and locate the opening. From there he tunneled in behind the background and up into the space behind the background, where I could easily see him from the rear of the terrarium. He then began to remodel the space with his rostral scale.