Thoughts on logo - Page 6

TragicTaste · 11-17-12, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

It's not "bad". It's just a lot harder than people think, as is a lot of things with graphic design (a term I often loathe). Graphic design is a lot more than playing around with Photoshop. There are fundamental principles of design that come into play, principles that actually apply across the board in fine arts, graphics, web design, animation, film, photography, etc. And knowing those principles helps one create GREAT logos instead of "okay-lookin" logos.

And it comes with a price. Professional designers take some form of training for it, whether it was a few classes or a degree. Either way, you can evaluate them by looking at their portfolio. Just like any vocation, they charge a fee to provide a service. It is frustrating when people balk at the price, saying something to the effect of "Why so much? All you do is just draw, right?" I would just slide the sketchpad toward them, and reply "Okay, if it's so easy, you do it. Have a nice day."

So many folks want to get a logo done for this or that, they don't want to pay a pro to do it, so they get their brother-in-law's nephew's cousin who has a bootlegged copy of Photoshop to do it for free. And it usually ends up looking like crap. Again I state: you get what you pay for. You want a logo to represent your company or organization, something easily recognizable whether its on a business card or a billboard.

Sorry for the rant. Regrettably, this year I am closing down my graphic design business and more or less, ceasing any pursuit of a career in the arts. Its simply not worth the taxes and effort to keep it going, because I cannot make enough money doing it, because no one wants to pay for it.

IMO very well said

I have an art degree in Photo/Design and I struggled to find work for years. Maybe one day people will accept this field as art, and give it the credit that it is due, but until then I will continue to work on my own art in my free time, and keep my day job as an event coordinator.

Wildside · 11-18-12, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

It's not "bad". It's just a lot harder than people think, as is a lot of things with graphic design (a term I often loathe). Graphic design is a lot more than playing around with Photoshop. There are fundamental principles of design that come into play, principles that actually apply across the board in fine arts, graphics, web design, animation, film, photography, etc. And knowing those principles helps one create GREAT logos instead of "okay-lookin" logos.

And it comes with a price. Professional designers take some form of training for it, whether it was a few classes or a degree. Either way, you can evaluate them by looking at their portfolio. Just like any vocation, they charge a fee to provide a service. It is frustrating when people balk at the price, saying something to the effect of "Why so much? All you do is just draw, right?" I would just slide the sketchpad toward them, and reply "Okay, if it's so easy, you do it. Have a nice day."

So many folks want to get a logo done for this or that, they don't want to pay a pro to do it, so they get their brother-in-law's nephew's cousin who has a bootlegged copy of Photoshop to do it for free. And it usually ends up looking like crap. Again I state: you get what you pay for. You want a logo to represent your company or organization, something easily recognizable whether its on a business card or a billboard.

Sorry for the rant. Regrettably, this year I am closing down my graphic design business and more or less, ceasing any pursuit of a career in the arts. Its simply not worth the taxes and effort to keep it going, because I cannot make enough money doing it, because no one wants to pay for it.

I know how you feel!

Strutter769 · 11-18-12, 06:15 PM

I just asked for a few opinions! Lol

Work has already begun on a total revamp of the design. For those that don't mind showing your ideas, here's the new basis for the logo:

p.s. It's really the same snake that modeled for the original. That's the natural pattern, ghostly faces and all.

Rogue628 · 11-18-12, 06:59 PM

I really like that pic!

StudentoReptile · 11-18-12, 08:01 PM

Nice image, but it's still essentially a photograph. What happens when you try to make it larger? It will look pixelated.

That is the problem with bitmap-based images. Find someone who can turn that image into vector, and you'll be rocking.

StudentoReptile · 11-18-12, 08:02 PM

Nice image, but it's still essentially a photograph. What happens when you try to make it larger? It will look pixelated.

That is the problem with bitmap-based images. Find someone who can turn that image into vector, and you'll be rocking.

DragonsEye · 11-19-12, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

It is frustrating when people balk at the price, saying something to the effect of "Why so much?"

simply not worth the taxes and effort to keep it going, because I cannot make enough money doing it, because no one wants to pay for it.

A familiar rant. A buddy of mine used to do custom stained glass and glass etching for a living. Absolutely fantastic work. Unfortunately, he would run into many of the same issues -- people who couldn't understand why his pieces were so much more than the cheap mass produced sweatshop stuff from overseas. Still he made a living at it for years until the economy took a nosedive. He still does an occasional piece here or there -- now working out of his basement -- but he had to "get a real job" to pay the bills. Such a tragic waste of talent.

**Aaron_S** · 11-19-12, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

Nice image, but it's still essentially a photograph. What happens when you try to make it larger? It will look pixelated.

That is the problem with bitmap-based images. Find someone who can turn that image into vector, and you'll be rocking.

You said it better than I could have.

I was going to say I don't know how the detail will translate to business cards and the like.

Strutter769 · 11-19-12, 09:56 AM

Student - So this picture can be turned into Vector format or do I need a new photo?

Wildside · 11-19-12, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

Student - So this picture can be turned into Vector format or do I need a new photo?

That picture can be turned into a vector but it'll take a lot of work and isn't gonna look exactly the same, but it can still look awesome.

Strutter769 · 11-19-12, 10:06 AM

Thanks! Would it still be better to start with a picture taken from a better camera, or won't that make a difference?

Wildside · 11-19-12, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

Thanks! Would it still be better to start with a picture taken from a better camera, or won't that make a difference?

You'll have to ask your designer what they prefer

StudentoReptile · 11-19-12, 08:39 PM

Ideally, a higher resolution version is better, but that image could be turned into a vector. Like Wildside said, it depends on the skill level of the designer.

I could do it....but I don't work cheap.

Strutter769 · 11-19-12, 08:41 PM

K, thanks! I hope to have that done by night's end, possibly tomorrow.

Strutter769 · 11-21-12, 09:03 AM

So, I had a friend try to turn the picture into a Vector image and was told the file is too small.

What if I were to print it, say 8 1/2 x 11, could I then use a better camera to take a picture of the print, then convert that picture to Vector?

Can you tell I REALLY wanna use this photo?!