Another rescue (Grant L@@K!)

[Grant vg]

Whats everyones take on breeding pit bulls?
I for one think the only breeding that should go on is with registered pits.
that is why i got both mine spayed and neutered.
Not to say that i wouldn't like to experience the wonderful sight of birth from one of my dogs, i just really dont think there is are enough good pit owners out there. Plus, theres so many dogs like apollo out there.

[Pythonian]

my ex girlfriends grandfather bred pitt bulls and made my ex girlfriend watch the mother eat the babies as they came out... pitt bulls are the cutest dogs ever!! i just wish i could own one.. out of all my past experiances with them i can't

Mike

[Clownfishie]

Very cute puppy you've got there He looks like a sweetie...

[Dunner]

grant..good questions, i too think only registered breeding should go on...not only with APBT's but all breeds, there are too many DOGS period in shelters around the world, if only registered breedings were taking place i know for a fact that number would drop dramatically..i breed my dogs every 2nd to 3rd heat..not many litters, but all mine with the acception of chuckie, rescue, are UKC and ADBA registered, and 2 are purple ribbon and from Gr Champion bloodlines...the puppies are sold before their even born, pit bulls are wonderful sweet smart dogs, that are the most athletic and versitile working dogs in the world...yet because of all this backyard breeding and the fact 'it's coo' to own tough dogs, there are soo many inbreedings and unstable dogs being produced, thats what you hear about in the news...when do you hear about the golden retreiver that bit the kids face...never...but i garuntee you that happens a lot more,,,i'm just rambling now...i love the breed...
hey grant...do yours get along at all with other dogs?

[rattekonigin]

Originally posted by Dunner
i too think only registered breeding should go on...not only with APBT's but all breeds, there are too many DOGS period in shelters around the world, if only registered breedings were taking place i know for a fact that number would drop dramatically...

Amen to that!
Far too many people buy dogs on impulse nowadays. Then they realize that having a puppy is like having a little kid, and when they can't handle the responsibility they dump the poor thing on a shelter...or even worse, just neglect it. It's a real shame.

[Grant vg]

Good point dunner.
i agree.

My 3 yr old male hates all dogs, although, i can change his mind after a few short introductions, its just that many other dog owners dont bother staying around me too long.
My pup is pretty good with older/bigger dogs, although shes a tad bit too ruff with the little ones.

[Dunner]

yeah, same with my young male grant, he loves everything, but doesn't know his own strength, he plows into everything, i'm afraid he's going to break ribs one of these times...my female, hates any living animal..loves people though, go figure..chuckie, he's timid of most people..due to his past obviously.

Far too many people buy dogs on impulse nowadays

don't forget to add all the people who give away dogs...because they have a litter after litter, not realizing..um..all you have to do is spay the dog...i mean they can't say it's too expensive..have you ever tried feeding a litter until 8 weeks before? that cost alone will pay for a spaying...i don't know...i think people just have to give their heads a shake.....there are enough dogs now

[Dunner]

heres a pic of my female

[Dunner]

and tonka..male...kissing my gf.....lots of tongue

[Grant vg]

Great lookin dog!
I wish i would have got my dogs ears cropped, however, i never seemed to have that much extra cash lying around b4 it was too late.

[stormyva]

I love Pitts... most of the ones that I have been around have been great. It is a total shame that they have such a bad reputation though... in this area especially. We have a high concentration of "city areas" with people that think it's cool to own a pit or a rot and let it bite and torment other dogs and children. My home owners insurance will actually not insure me if I get a Pitt! It's a total shame!

[beth wallbank]

I don't want to step on any toes here, but I think some of you are being a bit hypocritical here on the topic of 'pitts'. First of all, do you all know the extent of surgery that a dog has to endure to have 2/3 of thier ears cut off for esthetic purposes? I think that that alone is animal abuse. I personally am involved with many veternarian clinics in and around BC, and every one of those clinics with the exception of one, refuse to dock ears on any breed of dog.
Secondly, I personally have been breeding dogs for 11 years, and I find it hard to believe that you place the blame soully on the buyer of the dogs. It starts with the seller, such as myself. I breed bandogges, bred for temperment and confirmation, and careful genetic consideration goes into the breeding of these breeds together. For each and every litter of puppies that I have born in my home, they are raised with other animals and children. The puppies are handled from day 1 even by my kids, and the mom is fine with that. She is also confortable in having visitors in and mucking around in her puppies box.
When it comes time for puppies to go to thier new homes, I personally choose a puppy for a family, and the buyers are all seriously questioned of thier home, lifestyles, family, etc. On many occasions I have told people to leave without a puppy. This is where the sellers are wrong.
The only reasons these breeds have developed a horrid reputation is first of all, thier ancestory was originally bred for big game fighting and hunting. Bred for fighting bears and big game. This is where the airheads in mankind took it upon themselves to use them as 'pit' dogs. They are a very standoffish breed, and do not mingle well in packs. This is the way they were bred, its thier nature. It is then up to the owner of the dogs to socialize thier dogs properly. My dogs are both 145+ lbs, and myself 100 lbs, and I am totally confident in taking a walk with BOTH of them on a leash through a park by myself. They have been taught properly on behavior, with positive reinforcement. Sure, they would love to have a go at any four legged creature that crosses thier paths, but that is thier nature, what they have been bred for for centuries. My dogs are also raised indoors and sleep nightly with my children, and are solcialized with everyone that comes into my home. But I know that if they ever got the chance to run amuck around the neighbourhood, they would have a ball treeing cats and so forth. It is the owners of dogs that are neglecting thier responsibilities as dog owners, not the dogs themselves. I also have a policy, that each and every puppy that leaves my home, has a come back policy, for any reason what so ever, to ensure they have a proper home. I DO know where each and every one of my dogs go, and I do stay in contact with each and every buyer.
I dont think it is fair that you think 'purebred' dogs are the only way to go and that only those breeders should be able to have puppies. The paperwork that comes from both CKC and AKC is just that, a piece of paper. Heck, I personally can get a registration for most breeds of dogs without them being 'registerable' to begin with. The BIG breeders are some of the worst dog breeders out there. And some of them are those 'puppy mills' you see and hear so many horrid stories about.
I commend you all on the adopting of rescue animals, but I don't think it is fair to condone breeders or buyers of this type of dog. I
agree that there needs to be some responsibility on the part of the buyer to ensure thier puppies are raised and cared for properly, but it starts with the breeder, properly interviewing each and every person before they are able to own a puppy. The general public has made a mountain out of a mole hill as they are only prejudice against this 'breed' of dog by the negative publicity.
I just wanted to share my views and opinions on the 'pitt' breed that you are talking about. It is the dogs nature to hunt or be hunted, irregardless of the home or the upbringing. Heck, my dogs would love to throw thier chests at another dog as they walk by, but I do not allow that, and the dogs know the difference.
You all have beautiful looking animals by the way, and again, I commend you on your 'rescues'.

[Dunner]

good points beth, only thing i don't agree with really is the socialization factor....true ALMOST any dog can be brought up to be a good canine citizen...2 of my dogs have there CGC amd have been temperment tested and passed with flying colors....as for the socialization..thats a little different with APBT's most with show heritage in their blood, ie the UKC dogs make great loving pets that get along great with most animals...but you can't really tell me you could take a pup from game bred line, such as say a jeep/redboy breeding...have it from 8 weeks, socialize the heck out of it, never encouraging fighting, and think that dogi s going to still get along with other dogs....9 times out of 10 it's going to snap and tear that other dog to shreds, you can try...but instincts over power...i've seen it many times
i'm with you on how it is the responsiblility of the breeder, every single puppy i sell goes with a spay/neuter contract...some go with show contracts and no breeding contracts and very very very few are sold as breeders....my dogs are all judged by their conformation, and temperment, and if i had an unstable dog it would be snipped right away, wouldn't be bred...the puppies are played with right away, just like you say...
and you say you breed your bandogges to conformation, i'm just curious whats the conformation of bandogges?

[Dunner]

oh yeah and as for ear cropping....people debate on this all the time, true it is for esthetic purposes, but i've never noticed any pain on the dogs behave after the surgery...i've had 4 dogs ears cropped...and never a wimper or a whine, i can touch the ear, put pressure on it, nothing...oh yeah any of your bandogges...or any of the dogs you've ever owned had their tails docked or dew claws removed?

[Linds]

He looks great! Glad he's found a good home!