My bp's new car!!

[RDJ]

Well I can't really comment on the "toy car thing" LOL, as I don't see any sense in doing it but whatever.

YoungBuck, Snakes don't have personality?? I completley disagree. I have found each and every one of my snakes to be uniquely different from one another, personality wise. I have a big male corn that is very inquisitive and almost wants to be held, while his anery brother is quite flighty and will do anything to get away from you. Both are kept the same etc.

just my thoughts and observations.

Ryan

[rrrrr]

Holy carp...I cant believe the flack this guy is taking for putting a decoration in a cage. If it's safe for the snake feel free. If the cage is a display cage, even better.

The oddest thing I've ever put in a cage was a hide-box made out of the large toddler-sized lego. My bullsnake kept breaking it so I eventually swapped it out for an exoterra hide. I liked the lego hide though. I contemplated glueing it together to make a permanent hide box but decided the kids needed the lego more than "Dozer" did.

[naja]

sure.personally, i do like to keep my enclosures as naturalistic as possible, but we all have plastic hide boxes, water dishes, etc... in our snake enclosures, so...but,rrrr, what flack did you see doled out? someone misinterpreted "young buck" as saying that he didn't think it was good, but that was not what he'd said, though he did insinuate it, and he did fart through his mouth abit, making himself seem like he was being anti mini-in-tank-with-snake.point is, the snakes we have are WAY out of their natural element, so whats the big deal if we alter theri surroundings a little more, eh? no harm, if you use common sense, if you HAVE common sense, to begin with! ciao

[Elmo]

right guys, i think this has all been cleared up.

Lol

[YoungBuck]

Originally Posted by Lrptls

i definetly agree if your changing things around alot, keep adding things to the cage it is a bad thing. for animals that i own that do very well from change (like the ferrets) i try to change things around once every few weeks. for animals that take some time to adjust to changes i only do it around once or twice a year because i dont want them stressed but a few changes i believe is good for them.

And I agree with you as well...dog's, cat's, and ferret's for example love change like that. I think it's great that you mix it up for them all the time and give them a little excitement. Snakes on the other hand stress really easily and don't like change, but by your post you understand that and by no means am I bashing, or trying to start a fight.

Originally Posted by Elmo

Hey guys, lighten up. I only put the car in as a hid whil i disinfected everything else. The snake seemed to like it because it stayed relatively humid and was dark and small. He spent a lot of time in it to be honest, and it made it look quite funny.

Im going to have a good look over it before i return it to the cage to be honest. I didnt buy my snake as a "toy" or "display" snake. I only handle him about twice a week and i disturb him as little as possible. I just thought the car made a great hide and I found it hilarious seeing his head stick out the window!!

In no way, shape, or form was I trying to bash you in this post and I am sorry if you felt that way in any time. If you go back to the very beginning of this thread, I simply asked why you had a car in there. The I responded by saying go ahead and keep the car in if you like...with precautions. It is other people on this forum that came in and kept stirring the pot that got me upset. Not Elmo's post. I was simply trying to help him/her out. I did not try insulting Elmo in the least~!

Originally Posted by naja

geeze! i don't even know why i am bothering here, but, "young buck", thats a pretty unique name, right there, by the way! but, "young shmuck", you REALLY do need to chill out, home-boy. its not a big deal, and, because you felt slightly offended, i'm guessing you felt offended, am i right?because you felt offended, you went off, accusing someone of treating their snake irresponsibly, and blah blah blahing until you felt like the big man you obviously are. anyhow, just relax, fella, nothing was said to you to incite such a spiteful reply, you obviously have a bit of a testosterone issue, or something.22, i'd think you were through with puberty, but i guess some people are a bit slower, huh? ok, ok, before you start up again, just settle back down! i was only trying to make a point, and i hope that you see what i am saying! i just hate to see pointless bickering. thats why i don't come to these sites much. too many 'young-uns' using the veil of the web to act like the big man that they ain't. ah, well.... so, just relax, "young buck", and i hope that you really didn't get blood pythons to be "cool", 'cause if you did, i don't think it worked! cheerio

Ok...who the hell do you think you are even thinking about saying crap like that?! You think that me trying to help someone out, and then other members coming on saying how "un-unique" I am about everything and that my opinion of over-handling and always changing of their enclosures make me out to be some young kid on a testosterone trip?! You don't know the first thing about me~!! As I don't know the first thing about you~!! I wasn't offended by anyone, I wasn't trying to be "the big man" and by the post you added to this conversation...you know...the one you "don't know why you are bothering" with goes to show who is the immature one and "farting out their mouth." And that knock/crack about getting my Borneos/Bloods to be cool? What the hell is that suppost to mean? I bought my first Borneo 4-5 months ago and then another pair a month ago. I bought them because I like them and think that they are the most fascinating out of all the pythons and would like to breed them. I did not get them to be "cool" and tell me...why would you even think that I bought them to be "cool"? You need a reality check "home-boy" and you're the one who needs to chill out~!!

I am done with this thread, I started by trying to help someone by making sure that what they put in their enclosure was safe and harmless for their snake and then more and more iggnorant people kept stirring the pot by adding smart assed comments. >(

Elmo, I hope you take the advice that I have given you by making sure the car is not harmful to your snake. And I think that everyone needs to read up on a few caresheets about owning a snake such as a Ball Python because it seems like there are some handling/husbandry issues amongst us. Not pointing any fingers~!!

Mike

[galad]

pointless bickering is annoying but it is a free country. Sorry he feels so strongly about it but no need to go off that far.
naja name calling is not acceptable and only makes matters worse.

peace

ws

[peterm15]

hey young buck dont even bother... you dont owe anyone and explaination.. i agree with you totally.. change causes stress... periode... jeese i hate changing the plants in my chameleon enclosure just in case he gets stressed.. the only thing i change is the hides.. but never the position.. and never a big chande.... like a nike shoe box for a vans one...lol...

if the toy isnt gonna hurt your snake in any way feel free.. if you have a fear of him getting cut or stuck.. stay away.. or find something a little better....

i do think snakes need something to climp through/on ect ect espically corns.. but for balls.. they do to.. my big girl actually poked a hole through the top of ine of her hides.. and she loves to crawl through it.. ... and is pretty active during the daytime hours ( which confuses me..) she spends most of her time circled THROGH her hide...

[naja]

who do i think i am, even thinking about blah blah blah blah... HA! thats truly funny!but truly sad, too.i'm a fool sometimes, as i really, truly, do not enjoy upseting folks,i should've taken more of a mediators approach. and i didn't, i got snarky.aw, i'm sorry, young buck... you aren't really a shmuck, i don't think. you just were acting like a shmuck for a minute there. and maybe, in your opinion i was too, but hey... i really should not have posted the post i posted, i really used poor judgement there, not forseeing how it would upset young buck more, so i apologize for contributing to the tension. i was just saying what i felt, and sometimes thats not a good idea. the truth hurts!! (kidding, KIDDING!).... :toilet: , oh, and, lastly, youngbuck, if you're reading this, i didn't say that you DID get your snakes to be cool, i said that i hoped you didn't do that! i guess you misread what i said, cause you were clouded with rage, and thats ok, you had every right to be!!! :med2teeth

[End Times]

All this over a model car. You guys are most entertaining... lol.

[fateamber]

I doubt the snake really cares what it's hide is, so long as its safe, the car is really only there for the owner, which I don't see as a problem if it doesn't negatively affect the snake.

The snake's safety is more important than being 'unique' , and it seems that is what YoungBuck was asking about, Elmo didn't seem offended by what YoungBuck said, so why are other people?

Naja, you think name calling helps anyone? This should be about the snake, if you have a problem with YoungBuck, maybe you should PM him?

Back to the point of the thread, it probably is fine, if the ball python is still eating fine, and has alternate hides to choose from, I'm sure it is a good was to make the cage look more 'interesting', or 'unique'.

[backdraft1320]

I must have two extremly unique BALLS they love interaction when i come into the room they poke there head out, then I talk to um, then they start elevating to the top of the enclosure. I take them out all the time. They are not stressed, Eat well, And Shed perfectly like clock work. Iknow Every body says snakes don't have ears or feelings but I think different I've even seen them act jealous at times. just my two cents.

[Stevo26]

as long as there is nothing harmful on or about the toy car i think its a pretty cool idea.. and it sounds pretty funny i would like to see it, so if the car does make it back in with your bp you should post a pic.

[fateamber]

backdraft1320... you think snakes DO have ears? Or do you just mean feelings.

[monster]

lol.. yea, my snake loves being pet. i take him out and pet him and he'll chill with me for an hour as long as i keep petting him, but if i stop he goes off exploring. i'm an excellent masseuse though so i know what feels good. yea, i think you're completely wrong young buck about snakes wanting to do nothing. snakes have their likes and dislikes, and everything likes to be pet or massaged because it feels good, but since you have so many snakes it'd be impossible to spend that much time giving them all attention. so here's my solution, everyone don't get sooo many damn snakes!.. who has time for them all!!..

[fionak]

Elmo. Any chance of a pic of your snake and the car?

So long as there's no danger of your snake getting hurt, I don't see a problem. Let's face it, most of us make hides out of things like upturned margarine tubs with holes cut in the side etc.

Backdraft1320. Completely agree with you. Snakes don't have ears like we do, but they can pick up the vibration of your voice (which is a form of hearing and for the record, I'm not so sure they can't hear - explain later in this post). A few weeks ago I asked my hubby to take my BPs out of their viv for me. He did - and got tagged by my younger BP. I told him, next time you take the snakes out, talk to them first!!! He looked at me like I'd lost the plot completely. Simple, says I, gives them time to pick up your scent - so not as daft as it sounds.

I've got 2 BPs. Both have different characters. My younger BP, Byron I've had since he was a little more than a hatchling. He loves chilling out with me and will come up to the glass and if I move away, he will follow me along the length of the glass and back. When I have him out and try to put him back in the viv, he lets me know he wants to stay out by about-turning or putting his head and neck vertical to make it difficult for me to put him in his viv. When he's had enough of being out, he goes back in no problem.

My other BP who was a rescue is still a little on the shy side but with regular handling is becoming friendlier by the day. He eats well and now sheds well (previous owners neglected him and when he was rescued, he'd stopped eating because he had 3 layers of partial shed (some was encircling his body) and 3 layers of eyecaps poor thing. He was being slowly strangled by his own skin. The people who rescued him nursed him back to a level where he could be rehomed and I got him. The first time he shed I had to assist him. This time (he shed a few days ago) he did it all himself and had a perfect shed. He looks fantastic now. When I first got him 9 weeks ago, he weighed 304g. Weighed him just after he'd shed and he is up to 590g.

I handle my BPs every day except for 2-3 days after they've eaten and I don't handle them when they're in shed except briefly to change their substrate if they've soiled it. Both my BPs eat really well, shed well and don't hiss or tag when handled. Byron is so friendly, he'll climb up me himself, sit round my shoulders and frequently rub his head across my cheek (he's friendlier than one of my cats is!!!)

I believe snakes, like every animal will respond to good care and kindness. Maybe they can't show affection like a cat or dog can (and I've got cats and a dpg too), but they show it in their own unique and special way.

I strongly believe not handling your snakes causes problems. How can the snake get to know you are not a predator going to eat him unless you handle him? I let my BPs settle in for a couple of weeks and established a good eating routine. After we'd established that I started handling them everyday, starting with 5 minutes and gradually building it up which built up trust between us very quickly. The last time I got tagged was last week in the reptile shop with a Bali Dwarf I was considering buying and boy, did she chew on my hand (ouch). I've since spoken with the breeder and he says it's definitely through lack of handling, and he doubts now if she'll tame down so I won't be buying her.

As for hearing. Just because an animal hasn't got external ears, doesn't mean it can't hear - Dophins don't have ears but they can hear extremely well. A couple of months back, our two RTBs were sitting half in and half out of their hide. One of my cats knocked a dish over in the kitchen. The two Boas' heads whipped round simultaneously in the direction of the kitchen.

There is so much we don't know about snakes and are only beginning to find out. They're beautiful, fascinating animals that are a joy to own.