Peer review forum - Page 2

SCReptiles · 12-05-04, 04:52 PM

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Trevor, You were a MOD, you were also the MOD who mentioned this type of forum and you KNOW why we decided against it.. You also know some of the other issue's that need to be ironed out before we can add another forum to the site... So why try and bring it up in public?????

Because the public is the driving force of this site. Why keep us in the dark?

BoidKeeper · 12-05-04, 04:55 PM

My whole point Chuck is that the site is here for the members and not the other way around. We can't even make the argument anymore that we make donations so we should get a say because these days if I'm correct you can't purchase photo space or make a donation.
Cheers,
Trevor

SCReptiles · 12-05-04, 05:01 PM

Trevor also brings to light another point I thought of when I was organizing my thoughts on this, but didn’t post. A peer review forum is a lure for higher end researchers to this site. I think ssnakess is the best forum site on the market right now, but if its allowed to become complacent, people will lose interested, and it will stop growing. I want to see it continue to advance.

Matt_K · 12-05-04, 05:06 PM

Trevor, I'd very interested to know what 'Expert's' have left the site.. I understand that a few members have 'left' the site, I was even told name's of these members that don't come here anymore. You know the funny thing about all those people.. They still post here on a daily basis..

Granted, people have decreased the amount of time they spend on the site, and that's understandable, it's also understandable that people get frustrated answering the same questions over and over again, and that they get annoyed with people's 'babble' as it's been put.. My question is this.. Should we make 10 'Expert's' happy, or should we work on making 100 members happy???

The site is a place for everyone to use at their leisure, whether they have 1 reptile or 100 reptiles.. People are going to come here and ask questions no matter what, if you have the answer, help them, but don't get upset when they do ask a question just beacause you've answered it 200 times...

As for the other issues we have to iron out.. Im sure you've noticed that the reply feature still isn't working in the classifieds section, we NEED to get that working, as well as some other bugs that aren't related to classifieds but just the site in general.. We're not leaving the members in the dark, instead we're trying to get these bugs weeded out before it becomes a problem for the members..

Chuck, as I stated, your idea is a good one, but will it happen? I'm not sure, why don't YOU try and contact The Admin with your idea... Afterall, they're the only one's who can get it off the ground..

-Matt

SCReptiles · 12-05-04, 05:08 PM

I thought I was. Don't the admin read these posts?

BoidKeeper · 12-05-04, 05:51 PM

They do when they can Chuck but just to be sure it's best to shoot of an email directly to them.
For what ever reason Matt we've lost a lot members since the begining.
Cheers,
Trevor

Jayson · 12-05-04, 05:57 PM

What is good about chucks Idea is that when you post a Question, You will able to get a proper and educated answer from someone who is experienced/Educated.
As a long term member of this site I know who to accept an answer from, But when a new member, who may be new to the whole hobbie asks a qestion, they will get many different answers and some of them will be wrong.

Linds · 12-05-04, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by SCReptiles
I thought I was. Don't the admin read these posts?

If you run a quick search through this forum, you will find many posts on the topic. Admin is generally unavailable for the most part these days, so basically if it is beyond our abilities as moderators, it is (temporarily?) suspended. You can fire them off an email, but if you do not get a response, do not take it personally, and it won't resolve anything to post about it here (as it has been done quite a bit already).

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Originally posted by SCReptiles
Because the public is the driving force of this site. Why keep us in the dark?

People seem to think that we are keeping them in the dark, but we don't know any secrets either. Also, while the public is the driving force of most things, doesn't mean the behind-the-scenes stuff needs to be displayed everywhere. We aren't keeping secerts, but the team does need a private place to discuss strategies, ideas, etc. It simply would cause a lot of unecessary chaos to bring it all to the frontline, and counter the effort to keep things running smoothly

SCReptiles · 12-05-04, 08:50 PM

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What is good about chucks Idea is that when you post a Question, You will able to get a proper and educated answer from someone who is experienced/Educated.

If we had a peer review forum, people wouldn’t be able to just come in and ask general questions. That would be an “ask the experts forum” like Trevor was talking about…which is also a great idea by the way. In the forum I am speaking of, threads would only be started by researchers who have completed some research and put the conclusions together in a post. Peers would then, accept the conclusions and include research they have done, some other facts not mentioned…etc, or people may ask questions about the research…or peers may try to discredit your conclusions, but to do so, they would have to offer up facts or opposing research they have done. You wouldn’t have the average Joe just popping in and saying the conclusion is false, they would be required to back up their opinions, or they would be disallowed.

CamHanna · 12-05-04, 09:24 PM

I like the idea of a peer review forum, not only because it would draw 'experts' to the site and allow them to discuss their research, but because it would bring viable academic material to users such myself who are outside herpetological circles. I (and I'm sure many others) am not subscribed to any journals and have difficulty finding about current research. I would appreciate a forum (similar to that of kingsnake) where I could sit in on discussion of academic material. Also, it is often much easier for me to sit down and make sense of a 25 page paper after seeing a KS style debate on the subject.

It seems that sSNAKESs discussion is somewhat shallow at times. Most of the questions asked here could be answered by a care sheet. Consequently, most of the posts are no more educational then a care sheet. I would be interested in bringing more academic relevance to sSNAKESs.

If this is not feasible then I understand. I also understand that there are other things that need to be done, but I think that an academic forum should be a priority.

Cam

SCReptiles · 12-05-04, 09:31 PM

Thanks Cam, I do believe this is the first time a Canadian supported anything I wanted to do. =)

Slannesh · 12-06-04, 12:45 AM

I think it's a great idea too, but also understand the difficulties with the 'behind the scenes' stuff as well. I run a couple of small forums so I definately understand the need for moderators to have an area to discuss things outside the view of the general userbase.

If it would help at all i'd volunteer to help with this project in any way that the mods might need.

Linds · 12-06-04, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by SCReptiles
Thanks Cam, I do believe this is the first time a Canadian supported anything I wanted to do. =)

LOL Chuck so I suppose half the opinons before that don't count?

Shad0w · 12-06-04, 12:47 PM

IM with SCReptiles

Personally.. I would love to see a peer review forum so long as its kept professional, it would do nothing but add clout to what we do... I mean its common in all other research forums....

Okay.. so instead of calling it peer review... Lets call it a Request for Comment forum (RFC)

Kimo · 12-06-04, 12:56 PM

I would LOVE to see a forum on ssnakess that is based purely on FACTS, unlike...well every other forum on this site.

I've been a member now for over a year i think, and i visit this site 5-8 times daily, yet if you notice i have a meager post count.
I don't post anymore because the site has fallen from grace, it really has, its nothing more than a society of self proclaimed experts, who think because they have over 100 snakes sitting in tupperware bins one on top of eachother, they're speacial (not to say they're not, but this is not how "expertise" should be measured) and they all offer nothing more than opinions, or information off of someone elses care sheets. But back to the begining of my post, a forum like this would peek my intrest, bring relevant information back to the community, and help us all in the end!

wouldn't it?

Josh

P.S. i would love to devote my time, and efforts to seeing somthing like this come about.

***Edited for typo***