hunting via internet?

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

Noname, you do realize hunters contribute most of the money for wild animal conservation right? Most parks were contributed by hunters. Bambi wouldn't be frolicing through the brushes if it weren't for us. Plus, turkey and pork bought from the store is far less appetizing than hunted animals. Not to mention Deer doesn't taste like chicken.. -Pretty much what Katt said.

As for the internet issue, I hope it's a hoax or doesn't pick up in popularity.
Zane

[Ptindy]

Parks wouldn't be needed if people didn't hunt. Also, the money comes from there permits to hunt, which makes sense. We need to register cars to drive on roads, why shouldn't hunters buy permits to hunt? Hunters wouldn't voluntarily pay for this animal conservation if they didn't have to. We buy fishing licenses so that ponds can be restocked. You buy permits so that wildlife can be maintained.

Mike

[noname]

Yeah, I do realize that hunters inadvertantly pay for parks, though I'm sure it's not by choice. But tell me this, why do we need animal conservation in the first place? It's because of human influence that animals go extinct, specifically because some people like to think hunting is a sport. If turkey and pork bought from the store don't taste as good as something you shot and killed, then check your recipe books 'cus you're doing something wrong. But hey, I don't eat any of the above, so what do I know, right? Oh, one more thing...have you even seen Bambi? His mother was shot by a hunter...

Courtney

[RepTylE]

There is more damage and need for conservation due to habitat loss than from hunting. You rip out a wood lot to build a new subdivision, how many animal species are displaced?
A hunter might take one deer and maybe a couple rabbits out of that same area. As far as devastating animal populations, a hunter seems a slacker by comparison.

[noname]

I know that Reptyle, as I was saying, the need for conservation and the creation of provincial parks and such, is because of human influence. This thread is about hunting though, and as much as everyone tries to defend it, I'm not going to agree. It's black and white really. Killing an animal living in a natural environment, for selfish purposes is wrong.

[Slannesh]

I WAS just going to ignore this thread till I saw a few outright incorrect things being stated as if they were facts.

Ptindy said

Parks wouldn't be needed if people didn't hunt. Also, the money comes from there permits to hunt, which makes sense. We need to register cars to drive on roads, why shouldn't hunters buy permits to hunt? Hunters wouldn't voluntarily pay for this animal conservation if they didn't have to. We buy fishing licenses so that ponds can be restocked. You buy permits so that wildlife can be maintained.

Not even sure where to start here. We need national and provincial parks to protect HABITAT, not individual animals. It has almost nothing to do with population loss that is a direct result of hunting, at least not in the last 60 or 70 years anyhow. Every year more and more natural habitat for hundreds of species is lost due to development and ever growing cities encroaching on surrounding land. Not to mention altering land to create new farmland to feed our ever bloated human population on this planet. Growth of the support structure to house and feed the human race is an inevitability but it comes at a very high cost for a lot of animal species. That is why we have Parks, not to protect poor little bambi from the ravening hordes of evil hunters just waiting for him to stick a toe outside the park boundary.

You do need a permit to hunt. Several in fact... A course and an FAC to even buy a gun, Another hunter education course before you can get ANY licence as well as individual tags for anything you plan to hunt. Big game anyhow, fowl is a bit different and i'm a lot less familiar with that. Not to mention Each and every big game hunter I know personally is at least a member of organizations like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation (RMEF) and Ducks Unlimited (DU) Both of which donate literally millions of dollars a year in money, time and land to the conservation of wildlife habitat. I find the line "Hunters wouldn't voluntarily pay for this animal conservation if they didn't have to." personally offensive. I've been a card carrying member of both organizations I mentioned above for twenty years and haven't even gone hunting in the last 10. How much have YOU personally done for wildlife conservation?

Noname continued with this gem

Yeah, I do realize that hunters inadvertantly pay for parks, though I'm sure it's not by choice. But tell me this, why do we need animal conservation in the first place? It's because of human influence that animals go extinct, specifically because some people like to think hunting is a sport. If turkey and pork bought from the store don't taste as good as something you shot and killed, then check your recipe books 'cus you're doing something wrong. But hey, I don't eat any of the above, so what do I know, right? Oh, one more thing...have you even seen Bambi? His mother was shot by a hunter...

Yes, mine and hundreds of other hunters in Western Canada just ACCIDENTALLY spent millions of dollars on wildlife and habitat conservation. Please pull your head out of your rear and at least TRY to look up the facts before you spout off about stuff you obviously know nothing about next time.

We NEED wildlife and habitat conservation because humans don't live by the normal rules of the animal kingdom. Animals have been going extinct for millions of years before humans ever evolved as well. We just help the process along a lot faster unfortunately.
Yes, i've seen bambi. It's a frigging CARTOON. Do us all a favor and at least have an IDEA about what you're spouting off about before you open your mouth next time. I really could care less if you agree or disagree with the concept of hunting. No, it's not necessary for survival of the human species any longer. I'd be stupid to argue that. But I can definately make a case that it's become necessary for the survival of many local populations of animals all over Canada and the US. Shrinking habitat, inability for natural migration patterns due to human development, lack of natural competition and predation not to mention environmental effects take a pretty awful toll on overpopulated herds.

As to your comment about "Killing an animal living in a natural environment, for selfish purposes is wrong." I don't suppose you consider keeping your reptile pets in an unnatural environment, being fed things they would never see in nature selfish would you? Try to make sure you don't live in a glass house before you decide to start throwing rocks next time.


Edit: BTW I think the internet hunting idea is incredibly stupid.

[joey]

I have to say that I totally agree with Slannesh(excellent post!) and I'm an admitted "tree-hugging, dirt worshipper" lol.


I much prefer hunted wild game meat as opposed to store bought factory farm beef, pork or chicken. I find nothing wrong with hunting as long as it's done for a purpose other than to get drunk and go out into the woods with a gun to kill ANYthing.

Where I live there are SO many deer that I see them everyday--a lot of times dead on the side of the road.

I have a neice, who on her 12th birthday went with her father and shot her first 12 point buck with a crossbow. I felt a little sad for the buck but proud as hell for my neice....something I couldn't have done at 12. !! Hunting brings out the instinctive 'hunter-gatherer", which I feel very strongly.

As far as the online hunting---- totally moronic, maybe they should instead make it 'Shoot a Redneck Texan' ...we certainly need less of that stereotypical mentality.

[ariesdragongirl]

I am new to this forum and just reading over what has been said, I am in awe of Slannesh's ability to put ideas into words so clearly. I grew up in a family that hunts and can skin a deer... and I don't let my boyfriend forget it!! I don't hunt on my own but will certainly take deer meat if it were offered to me! I think a lot of hunters have gotten a bad rap from the jerks who go out into the woods, shoot a deer and then cut it's head off to leave the carcass lying there. Killing for trophies is wrong to me because I feel that if the creature has lived that long then it deserves to keep on living. It should be respected, not killed.
I live in Alabama, USA and hunting is a way of life around here. My boyfriend and I went to the firing range last Sunday to try out my new pistol and could not even get in for all the people sighting their weapons in for deer season... So, I see it all the time. Anyhow... this short comment on another's comment has become... fairly long. Oh, and Joey.. like the "shoot a texan" comment. Most of AL voted for 'the other one' but the polls did not show that. wonder why????

[RepTylE]

Not many people are supporting the idea of internet hunting here.....GOOD! I guess that in order to be interested in it you need good old boy genes.
The closest that I come to hunting with the computer is simulated hunting games which is the only hunting I will ever do.
I am not a treehugger because I am sensitive new ager type. I take the topic of the environment very seriously because you would have to be blind to not see that there is a big problem with the human race.

And I agree, Slannish does type real purty like

[joey]

Originally posted by RepTylE

I am not a treehugger because I am sensitive new ager type. I take the topic of the environment very seriously because you would have to be blind to not see that there is a big problem with the human race.

I'm ~very~ sensitive to the environment too. I believe that all life deserves the life it's been given. (well, scratch that---I can think of many individuals who make a real mess out of their existance and it effects everyone elses as well). BUT naturewise, ...ummm, I do have a freezer full of mice/rats. I eat meat, wear leather.....but trees, I LOVE trees. Whoa---I'm surrounded by paper that's all over my desk.

Man, I'm just a big walking talking contradiction, aren't we all??

Ain't life strange?

[RepTylE]

I guess that pointing fingers at greedy land developers and polluters is our way of hiding the fact that no one lives an ecologically sound life unless you live in a cave and eat grass and twigs. lol maybe not even then.
We ALL are part of the problem to one degree or another. Life exists because of consumption of resources. We have to eat, have shelter dispose of wastes and have jobs to provide for ourselves and our loved ones.
It's how to strike a balance between all that and the planet we live on. That is the issue.
So far out track record is not something that I would bet on for future events.

[joey]

.....balance is the key, indeed.

The sad thing is, there are alternatives that provide more of a healthy way to live, ie--hybrid cars, solar/wind power energy, healthy organic foods, factory free farming, but the greedy mofo's at the top won't have it ---top priority, defense--build things that destroys human life in as many horrid ways as possible--- this world has become terribly out-of-balance and ALL of us are suffering because of it.

Something is definately wrong when you have some idiots sitting around thinking, "hey! I know, let's start and online hunting site!" "bet we could make a sh*tload off that!"

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

Can't argue with that.

[concept3]

no name in parts of canada like lets say ALL of alberta hunting is necessary maybe not to live but for the protection of the animal we are hunting. Let me explain. When people in farm/ranch land areas bring the animals in (the ones you eat) they kill or scare off all the natural predetors ( such as coyotes because they kill the animals you eat so it makes sence) that naturally would have killed a large number of deer. So basically the deer have no predetors anymore and they become WAY over populated. It is happening in Alberta right now. But your probably too ignorant to know what happens when a species such as deer get over populated. They get BSE or parkinsons wasting disease which devistaes their population moreso than hunting ever can or will.
All hunters are doing is taking the place of the natural predetors that are no longer around to control populations. So it is pretty much a catch 22. If everyone ate meat from the grocery store their would be almost 0 population control (exept for cars) and all the deer would eventually die from overpopulation/disease.

[Ontario_herper]

Bambi would have ended up being wolf food. Bambi's mom fed a hunters family (which is much more environmentally friendly than buying beef). What's the problem?