PITBULL ban is happening today - Page 13

Kimo · 10-19-04, 01:36 PM

the difference Shad0w is my dog is champion line bred, and participates in shows...and in order to participate in shows he needs to be flawless, ie still have his testicles. when i say backyard breeders i mean unregistered "Pit bull-LIKE" dogs lol as for the CDC im sorry im not playing on words, their whole findings are sketchy at best, and cant put there findings on one breed, and i thought we already discussed that "pit bull-like" dogs arnt even a registered, or accpeted breed ? so untill you find me 100% irrefutable proof, that these two breed specif dogs, the American Pit Bull Terrier, and The American Staffordshire terrier, are monsters, you have no case whatsoever Bob, the point of the matter is, your blaming an innocent breed by slapping on a generalied term on them, wich doesnt even apply, find me either one of two things, and i will yeild and say you are right, and i am wrong, either that Pit Bulls are in fact a registered breed, or proof that American Pitbull Terriers, have committed as many attacks as any other breed of dog, in so doing so, i will support a blanket ban of these two breeds.

Josh

Unfortunately, you wont be able to, as i have already tried myself...as have many others

beagle · 10-19-04, 01:40 PM

"easier to ban the dog than police people"

So I guess it is always better to take the easy way out.

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 01:40 PM

Again a play on terms

Im not looking for you to agree with me Josh... just voicing how I feel about what Ive read and experienced...

Beagle,

I never said it was the best solution.. did I?
Its just whats going to happen...

Is it easier to take a gun out of a childs hand as opposed to teach the kid how to use / respect it?

Which is easier?

Kimo · 10-19-04, 01:47 PM

ahh good point there shad0w, however whats more important? peoples freedoms, or the easy way out? wich would you prefer? would you prefer the government to ban all reptiles, or seek perhaps a sort of liscencing system for the responsible ones, to keep say...their alligator snappers? make the choice, wich would you prefer? liscence? or all out ban? all we want is the same consideration! we will be happy to support a liscence of sorts... and those whom dont have a pure bred dog, or intend on showing/breeding him should have their dog spayed, or neutered, for sure i agree with strict measures, i dont agree with having my rights, and freedoms taking away. and i'm sure Bob, invictus, the rest of the ssnakess community...you dont either.

Josh

Invictus · 10-19-04, 01:51 PM

What about peoples' rights to walk down the street without being attacked by a vicious dog? When do those peoples' rights come into play?

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 01:52 PM

Josh,

Honestly if ally snappers started charging down the street after kids, I would willingly give it up... sorry that image is funny

But on another note...

I for one am against keeping reptiles in certain situations too...

I used to be into large constrictors... burmese, retic... but got rid of them once I had kids... to me.. the risk is just not worth it... not only for myself and child, but also the community as a whole....

Bsides... the general public's rights to safety far outweigh a person's right to keep a dog...

Really you pro Pitt people should not be hating us pro ban people, be angry with the bad apples that caused this for you responsible owners...

Matt_K · 10-19-04, 01:55 PM

Actually, they ARE adopting them out still.. They just can't find anyone to take them in.. Why??? Cause people are afraid of their dog biting someone and having to pay the $10,000 fine.. So if anyone is interested in taking in a new dog and potentially saving it's life.. Now is a GREAT time as there are HUNDREDS of dogs in need of homes right now..

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Stor...8-015/page.asp

marisa · 10-19-04, 01:57 PM

I also have a right to walk down the street and not get hit by a drunk driver....

Oh but wait...the government makes money off Booze...so it will never be illegal, no matter how many people it kills.

Marisa

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 01:57 PM

Thats right.. until the ban is passed...

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 01:59 PM

Yea Marisa, you do have that right

But I dont think its a fair comparison....

Everyone states drunk driving is wrong...
But we cannot exactly ban cars.. and you are right.. booze is a HUGE part of the economy... bars, restaurants... etc... thats not going anywhere...

We are talking about a dog here

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 02:01 PM

And for the responsible owners out there that say we need stiffer laws...

How would you feel if your dog nipped a child...
You willing to dish out the 10G's it will cost you in fine's?

Or will you force a muzzle on your dog even if it does not appreciate it?

marisa · 10-19-04, 02:02 PM

We can't ban cars. Nope. But the cars aren't the ones drinking. People are. Just like the dogs aren't walking themselves, PEOPLE ARE.

Drinking also costs the health care sector MILLIONS because of booze related problems, which kill. Booze kills thousands each year, but again, the government makes their money so they don't care who dies.

If the government had been making a tax off each dog puppy sold you better believe this situation would be different.

Marisa

Matt_K · 10-19-04, 02:02 PM

I believe the responsible owners will use the muzzles that are being made mandatory.... wouldn't you think???

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 02:04 PM

Oh Marisa,

Here is some clarification as to what will happen to the dogs in shelters... (no answer)...

Attorney General Michael Bryant admits he’s still not sure what fate holds for the shelter dogs. But when a municipal ban was imposed in Kitchener-Waterloo, the pit bulls in the kennels there were put to sleep.

BTW.. this thread is GETTING HUGE!!!

Kimo · 10-19-04, 02:13 PM

my dog is harnessed, never needed a muzzle, however should that come into play, yes, my dog will be muzzled, yes i will pay the fine, yes i will put my dog down immediately, yes to all those questions, regardless of the freaking breed, if i had a ****-zu and it bit me, i'd be putting it down to, regardless of breed, i support, and have always supported the by-laws Bob, what your telling me to do, myself and responsible owners have been doing for YEARS, this is all nothing new to us, we are the ambassadors to this breed, we try to convery a sence of saftey to all others when were walking our dogs, however all of this means nothing really anyways. the bad apples will find another dog to turn to, and then it will get banned, then another, and it banned, and yet another.

as for the snapper bob it's the exact same. you have the supposed "pit bull" of the turtle world sure, it might not leave your house but perhaps one of your kids goes to stick a finger in the cage to touch it? then what your 7 yr old is missing an index finger because you decided to bring a wild animal into your house? and by wild i mean untameable, or what if it gets out of its cage, or what if... you get the picture here yet bob? lots of "what ifs" yeah what if my dog got off it's leesh, yeah what iff my dog escaped the back yard, yeah lots of "what ifs" there to...
you think your the exception, because you think your a responsible owner? like i said start liscences to own dogs, but don't ban them

Josh