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01-21-04, 05:57 PM
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Never discussed information…hot females!?!?
Hot females is a term used by herpetoculturist to designate animals witch where incubated at the higher range of tolerable incubation temps, often only 1 degree higher will result in physical abnormality, these hot females (applies to males too) have no visible defects, however they do suffer neurological damage, snakes are very high strong and nippy always striking so aggressively that there entire body turns counter clockwise, in monitors even none aggressive species will bite huff and puff, as they grow they remind me of the character Dory in Nemo, always acting lost and confused, they are hyper active and to my knowledge never successfully breed. A friend hatched ringed pythons twice on the higher incubation temperature range, I checked his incubation temp with one of my probe, he was 2 degrees higher then his thermometer who’d show, all babies hade aberrant pattern, he was shocked that I refused babies from these clutches, he tot they where awesome looking and kept a very orange female, its been 6 years now and she never bred for him, he never produced any aberrant after adjusting his temps.
This is why I don’t like my female lace, she shows every sings of being a hot female.
The point is chouse your animals carefully, it doesn’t mean you will get good breeders because you obtain them from Top varanid breeders.
However don’t worry if you have such reptiles, it isn’t hopeless!! I am one of these product of high temps conception (aka moron) and at 30 old finally succeeded (allowed) to copulate and both my offspring’s are normal. I think!?!?
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01-21-04, 06:02 PM
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I think I have a male ball python just like that, damn thing won't eat for months, then eats, always wants to kill you
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01-21-04, 06:05 PM
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And on that note, I have 3 probe thermometersall at different temps. I understand that Temp guns are also about 3 degrees off either way.
I tried to get one of those old fashion mercury thermometers as you spoke about Steve however, I am told they are no longer available due to the mercury.
I did buy a digital human thermometer but it does not go below 90.
What should I get that is accurate, Do those ear thermometers go below 90?
Thanks
Brian
P.S. Steve - The Durms are mating in and out of the water.
How about some info/post on nesting boxes?
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01-21-04, 07:31 PM
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Any specialized food or wine store have excellent mercury thermometers! They are high precision instruments worth every penny spent, get one with a metal tip! You can stick them in your substrata and get dead on readings, good thing about them is they will never fail you because the batteries are low or the distance was wrong, one good mercury thermometer is a valuable tool you will work with and learn to trust your entire life.
I will email you about nesting
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01-21-04, 07:52 PM
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Thanks again Steve, I will get one this week.
I was looking at drug and department stores
Best regards
Brian
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01-24-04, 01:05 AM
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01-24-04, 04:10 PM
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I've been wondering if the 'hot female' thing had any merit, I've brought it up on occasion, but nobody seemed to know what the deal is with it. Thanks for clearing it up, Steve.
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01-24-04, 04:25 PM
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So is there such a term as 'hot male' as well? You would think that if the females can be damaged by high incubation temperatures, it would seem likely that the males could, too.
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01-24-04, 04:39 PM
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I don't find males that hot
Actually, hot females are usually the result of an egg being incubated at a male tempeture (you can choose the sex of some animals by doing this) that happens to be a female. Not as rare of an occurance as it used to be.
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01-24-04, 05:01 PM
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Oh! Sorry about that. I didn't realise this was the varanid forum, and I thought you were talking about reptiles in general, not just varanids. I was thinking of snakes. Yes, i've heard of temperature sexing before... my mistake!
So, is there such a thing as a 'cold male?'
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01-24-04, 05:12 PM
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aim not refering to temperature sex determination. only high temp incubation! nothing more.
High temps incubation symptoms are;
Aberrant patterning
Neurological damage
Kinked tails and other malformed such as crippled limbs and spinals
Males of many species are also victim of high heat incubation
Perhaps the reason most peoples don’t know about the hot female syndrome, is only because they don’t produce large numbers of reptiles, also most keepers nowadays have much better breeding knowledge then most old timers did years ago, Most Canadian herpers have no clue about pioneers that started working with (now) common species like corns, Leos, African house, and many milk, kings, and rats snakes, I know most of these guys for being one of them, 20+ years ago these where novelties with very little info about them. when working with new species never bred before, mistakes in husbandry of both animals and eggs are most likely to occur.
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01-24-04, 05:19 PM
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I know. I was stating the common instance that "hot females" occur in.
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