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09-10-03, 06:35 PM
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Heather, I agree with the part on the backlash it just isn't worth setting the hobby back a little bit when it is avoidable.
Dogs and cats were used as hunters and mouse catchers long before they were pets and it just grew like that.
I would actually feel better if I happened to die and someone put me to good use. Feed me to the crocs at the zoo. Might aswell let my body be with what I love then in the ground.
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09-10-03, 06:42 PM
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Bryce,
Is it really that difficult to see how some creatures are more valuable than others? It's useless to compare cats and rabbits because they are basically equivalent. The cancer and the person are not. The cat and bunny are not equal to lettuce either. These are simple comparisons that we don't have to think about. The distinction is of one organism being of a more complex and therefore higher order. There is a very real natural heirarchy that has many levels. Some creatures share a level with others (cats and dogs..) and some are far above others (humans vs. fruit flies). If you think all living things have equal rights to exist then I must wonder what it is you eat.
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09-10-03, 06:43 PM
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If you want to boycott a company for inhumane activity then boycott all the fast food places plus Walmart and Nike for their inhumane treatment of their employees.
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Already done man, exept for WAl-Mart, whats wroung with them..
I Boycott all that, Bootlager, Bluenotes, Brodey.... I Buy close at thrift shops or army surplus, I don't eat fastfood anymore.
You don't care about the chickens? Watch this, http://www.meetyourmeat.com/
You dont have to pay, just click the thing on th top right that says "Watch it"
www.meetyourmeat.com
www.meetyourmeat.com
www.meetyourmeat.com
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09-10-03, 07:11 PM
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that's an interesting video. But I don't like PETA so I am not going to their site again.
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09-10-03, 07:21 PM
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Who gets to judge Which life has more value? Us?
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Everything that is alive, belongs to the pyramid of life. The pyramid of life has the fewer beings on top and the most beings on bottom. This means that the one that is on the top (humans) can and will (eventualy) judge which life has more value as far as their leverage allow. The only thing that humans cannot kill (if they hasn't do it already in their mind) is God or Creator. For some it maybe heard selfish but this is what is happening. Top of us we have only the Creator. HE will eventually exterminate us like we are doing uppon other living beigns on the pyramid of life below us.
When the man understand that, then he will stop raping his mother (earth). Until then he will always find excuses and he will act as senseless as he is acting now, by killing everything near him for no apparent reason.
~Greg~
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09-10-03, 07:29 PM
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The pyramid of life us humans made up. So you are saying we put value on ones life. Also what do you mean fewer being on top and most being on bottom? I don't get that.
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09-10-03, 07:38 PM
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Mouse I didnt Say that was MY Train of thought I was saying SOME people see it that way
I Eat Meat I Hunt I have Bought Stingray skin and Will later buy snake skin for Knife Sheaths. I have Mammoth Ivory in the mail And I own a Ivory Crocodlie. as well as knives with Ivory From many of India's Finest Horned animals. So you can tell I dont have a problem with killing any animal But some people Belive animals have souls so inturn Bacteria must have a soul if we do But i dont think anything has a soul.
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09-10-03, 07:43 PM
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This is the pyramid of life my friend. The law of life in Cosmos.
Level 1: Creator (God or Cosmos energy)
Level 2: Humans
Level 3: Large predators (tigers, lions, etc.)
Level 4: Smaller predators (babuins, wild cats, wild dogs etc.)
Level 5: Large herbivores (elephants, rhinos, etc.)
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and the storie goes on and on...
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09-10-03, 07:50 PM
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ahhh but who made that up? Us right...so we placed value on each of those types of animals lives.
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09-10-03, 07:55 PM
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Me neither Bryce (who is the mouse?) all are energy...I don't believe in recarnation. If you see in life around you, near or far, you (everyone) will see that all are energy. From the minor to the major...all are energy.
And the first law of thermodynamics says it clear energy cannot be destroyed, neither created. It is all around and transmutates in other kind of energy
when you put the cheese in the ova, then it will melt. When we will die, our type of energy that keep us alive, will be transmutated into another type of energie to fill the empty spot (brick) on the wall of Cosmos.
~Greg~
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09-10-03, 07:59 PM
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ahhh but who made that up? Us right...so we placed value on each of those types of animals lives.
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Read again the pre-previous post.
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When the man understand that, then he will stop raping his mother (earth). Until then he will always find excuses and he will act as senseless as he is acting now, by killing everything near him for no apparent reason.
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Man can live in harmony with all other creatures and kill only what he wants to feed and to wear. But the lack of knowledge brought him to this state of situation.
~Greg~
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09-10-03, 08:04 PM
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You could also Base The pyramid Though man's Eyes And say the most Important Animals are the ones he cant conquer What i am saying is Who gets to Choose And why is each animal there? If you said The Strongest animals are based upon what they eat Then vegitarian People would be down there with the elephants and Fruit eating monitors are in the same boat Even though there body and mind's are quite simular to those Who eat meat
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09-10-03, 08:09 PM
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Vegetarian people are a minority among the human beings. Vegetarian people do not represent Homo sapiens. Homo sapiens is omnivorous.
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09-10-03, 08:10 PM
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Bryce brings a good point. Why is that a lion is higher then an elephant? An adult elephant could easily kill a lion or the same with a rhino. It could kill a full grown adult lion. Large hippos would charge a human and could easily kill a large predator. Crocs don't go near them as they know they will be done for if they mess with an adult hippo.
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09-10-03, 08:11 PM
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I was not eating meat for 10 years in the distant past. I was wrong for 10 years.
~Greg~
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