New veilds are growing fast

[Richard Welter]

Each one of the new veileds i have eat about 10-20 crikets a day or the right size. Once you give these little guys the stuff they need to live, they shoot up very fast. I got them about 2 months ago and they were about 2-3 inches in total length. Now they are 6-8 inches in total length.

It's going to be hard to sell the babies when they come

[Laurier]

ahh, i remember when my little boy was that big. that is probably the cutest stage of there life. ya they look really healthy,very plump and bulgy. awsome start. see ya at the TARAS show.

Laurier

[Jaylyn]

How old are they now?

Jaylyn

[Richard Welter]

Hello Jaylyn, how are you they are about 7-10 inches in total length. I am working on breeding them when the snout-vent lenght is about 12-17 inches. They are growing very fast and out of the 1.4 group I bought (sold the male) I have one very clean cut screamer in the group. I will post pictures when I have time. I am doing cities work on 1-3 amazon basin emeralds and that is eating all my spare time up. Thanks Richard Welter

P.S. I will keep you all informed about my veilds in the future

[Richard Welter]

Well no body wanted to buy my veilds so I am going to start breeding them in December, depending on how the females are. They are ready to breed now, but will be held back to december-january for the project. They are jsut so big now, I guess that has to do with them eating 25 crickets on averge per day per animal. I have bread panthers before (had some problems), so this should be a walk in the park. I am not going to get my hopes up. I they go they go. If not then you put them back on the shelf and let them sit for another 3-6 months.

[Laurier]

holy crap,

richard don't hurt them. man at the rate you want them to breed the chance's of them going egg bound if so high at such a young age. man wait till they are a year old, and make sure there mineral intake is low because you don't want them oroducing a large clutch and going egg bound. well hope you don't take this the wrong way.

Laurier

[Richard Welter]

No I don't take it the wrong way. I am a very easy going guy. I have taken all the steps to ensure breeding with take place. They will be 11 months old when I attempt breeding. That does not mean I will go through with it thou. If the females are in perfect order then they will breed if not they will sit on the shelf for a while. I have now problem with putting animals on the shelf to wait another year. (pair of emeralds that will be six years old each before breeding attempts are made). I don't breed animals for money I do it because I have $#%$ loads of fun with them. Then again it is nice to get money back. Thanks Richard Welter

[Jaylyn]

I don't think any of us think we're going to retire on our reptiles. We wouldn't keep them unless we loved them! It would be nice to have some extra money to help pay for the addiction - I agree! I see nothing wrong with making money off them.

I was a little concerned with your numbers, too. 50 is a big clutch for a young cham. Make sure she's finished growing so you aren't robbing her of anything. I don't mean to sound snotty at all - just I've been there. Followed all the myths about having to breed at 5 months to prevent egg-binding and fattening them up first so it isn't hard on them. I bred my Maggie at 6-7 months - she had a clutch of 50 eggs, then another at 10 months of 66. It has been hard on her. I would like one clutch out of Maggie and Zeus - that old man is very special to me - but after that I think she's done.

I agree with Laurier - don't oversupplement and cut back on those crix before you start. 25 a day?!? I've never had an animal eat that many - you must have some kind of special gutload? Actually, there's some truth to that ... some chams prefer crickets fed on certain things. This summer, I fed mostly grasshoppers (we live in the heart of grasshopper country). My male veiled ate fine (~5-10 big ones a day) - those were mostly feeding on alfalfa and quack grass. When I collected them from the pasture where they were eating alot of sage - old Zeus went nuts for them! He's not impressed that he's getting more crickets now.

Jaylyn

[Richard Welter]

Thanks for all the info. Once my snake room is done, and my basins are here I will invite anyone to see how I breed and run things here. This is just a hobbie, and I will admit working with veilds is a money project for me. My true focus is Corallus caninus (emerald tree boa's). To think it only took me a year to find that out. Thanks Richard Welter

P.S. Just before I came to do this post I offered my veilds bugs in a hand feeding form and all but my little guy took'em.

[Jaylyn]

My old veiled had been very poorly taken care of before I bought him. Burned so badly and repeatedly his casque didn't develop properly and most of his spines are burned off. He was kept in a 40 gallon aquarium. He went on a hunger strike from April to June - X-rays showed numerous old fractures and a decreased bone density. Those three months were very stressful - I didn't think he was going to make it at times. I force fed him "Bug Juice" for the last two - and we couldn't find a physiological problem that might have caused the strike. I suspect kidney and/or liver damage - but I can't be sure. He's doing great now, except he can't shoot his tongue and he's too slow to run down crickets. So we do the old hand feeding thing (he can grab supers/silkies in a cup) with the crickets and hoppers.

I don't doubt your abilities to care for them at all (the veileds) - I'm just slightly biased with my experiences with Zeus and I worry about babes not even concieved going to less than perfect homes. Not emotionally biased at all! ;O)

Jaylyn

[Reptimike]

Hallo All ,

Saw the subject whas Veilds so here it goes .I'm currently had a clutch off 33 eggs , they laid for over 8 months in the incubator at a temp off 25 °C and none off them where small , unhealthy or sick so the lower incubation temp helped me really well hope you guy's have something with this info

greetings ,