feeding question

[puffinluffin]

Second attempt at feeding stitch since I got him 2weeka ago. Previous owner used a tote to feed him in.

Do I feed in the enclosure or in the tote?
THe enclosure right?

[Gluttony]

Its all up to you, everyone will chime in their opinion based on what they have read or practiced themselves. In the end you must make an informed decision and do what is best for you and the snake or snakes.
I myself feed the majority of my snakes in a tote, others I feed in their enclosure. This varies with MY routine. Sometimes I have a whole day to dedicate to their feeding and general maintenence of their enclosures, other times I have an hour or so.
It is my belief that feeding in a tote promotes the handling of the snake, even if its for a minute or so and there is no chance of substrate being ingested. being that I clean their enclosures and disinfect when they are eating this works for me. But this is not the case every time, I have one snake that is aggresive and I would rather not take her out unless I have to, so she is cage fed. I also have 40 snakes and counting...regardless good luck

[puffinluffin]

Originally Posted by Gluttony

Its all up to you, everyone will chime in their opinion based on what they have read or practiced themselves. In the end you must make an informed decision and do what is best for you and the snake or snakes.
I myself feed the majority of my snakes in a tote, others I feed in their enclosure. This varies with MY routine. Sometimes I have a whole day to dedicate to their feeding and general maintenence of their enclosures, other times I have an hour or so.
It is my belief that feeding in a tote promotes the handling of the snake, even if its for a minute or so and there is no chance of substrate being ingested. being that I clean their enclosures and disinfect when they are eating this works for me. But this is not the case every time, I have one snake that is aggresive and I would rather not take her out unless I have to, so she is cage fed. I also have 40 snakes and counting...regardless good luck

Awesome . okay I think I may do it in the tote. When you transfer back to the enclosure when is best? When they are done eating, mid swallow? That's mainly what concerns me.

[alessia55]

Originally Posted by puffinluffin

Awesome . okay I think I may do it in the tote. When you transfer back to the enclosure when is best? When they are done eating, mid swallow? That's mainly what concerns me.

Just feed inside the enclosure. Less stress for the snake. This way you won't have to worry about moving the snake while in feeding mode and/or digesting. Don't worry about substrate sticking to the prey. I feed mine rats dripping wet on reptibark, and besides the occasional piece that goes down with it, nothing happens. My snakes are happy and docile.

[Revenant]

Originally Posted by puffinluffin

Awesome . okay I think I may do it in the tote. When you transfer back to the enclosure when is best? When they are done eating, mid swallow? That's mainly what concerns me.

I would say definitely not mid-swallow! I would wait until the meal was down and give them a moment to settle, at least.

I used to be very strict about feeding my snakes in separate bins to make them easier to handle. For multiple reasons, I slowly switched over to feeding them in their homes and I have not noticed any effects on their temperament or amenability to handling.

If you're nervous about substrate and it doesn't seem to put the snakes off, I wouldn't say it was wrong to feed them in separate bin. In my own experience, the benefits I was led to believe that came from doing so were simply not there.

[SKYlord]

Originally Posted by Gluttony

Its all up to you, everyone will chime in their opinion based on what they have read or practiced themselves. In the end you must make an informed decision and do what is best for you and the snake or snakes.
I myself feed the majority of my snakes in a tote, others I feed in their enclosure. This varies with MY routine. Sometimes I have a whole day to dedicate to their feeding and general maintenence of their enclosures, other times I have an hour or so.
It is my belief that feeding in a tote promotes the handling of the snake, even if its for a minute or so and there is no chance of substrate being ingested. being that I clean their enclosures and disinfect when they are eating this works for me. But this is not the case every time, I have one snake that is aggresive and I would rather not take her out unless I have to, so she is cage fed. I also have 40 snakes and counting...regardless good luck

Wow! You own forty snakes and this is the advice you give? This is terrible advice. Please disregard this advice, op. Unless you want to get bit that is.

Just feed in the enclosure as it is less stressful for the snake and a way safer habit for you to get in if you get larger snakes.

[Gluttony]

Originally Posted by SKYlord

Wow! You own forty snakes and this is the advice you give? This is terrible advice. Please disregard this advice, op. Unless you want to get bit that is.

Just feed in the enclosure as it is less stressful for the snake and a way safer habit for you to get in if you get larger snakes.

Since the op mentioned that the previous owner fed in a tote, I just explained what I do....I am not saying this is what everyone should do, ITS WHAT I DO.

Take it easy on your approach to posting, you might come across as smug to some people

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by SKYlord

Wow! You own forty snakes and this is the advice you give? This is terrible advice. Please disregard this advice, op. Unless you want to get bit that is.

Just feed in the enclosure as it is less stressful for the snake and a way safer habit for you to get in if you get larger snakes.

This post is very abrasive in nature, please refrain from being judgemental.

It's perfectly acceptable to state your point of view, but not in a berating fashion.

Thanks.

I feed about half of my snakes in totes, it works for me, and has for years.

[SKYlord]

Originally Posted by infernalis

This post is very abrasive in nature, please refrain from being judgemental.

It's perfectly acceptable to state your point of view, but not in a berating fashion.

Thanks.

I feed about half of my snakes in totes, it works for me, and has for years.

So after doing a little bit of background checking I have noticed a few things.

First gluttony doesn't like to be questioned (or quoted) let alone proven wrong. I am not the only one he has gotten his panties in a twist from.

Secondly I read the rules and am not sure what exactly I broke unless it the disrespect Part. Please clarify.

Finally it seems that you keep mostly garters. Do you Cohab them? Is that why you have to feed half of them in totes?

Co habituating is the only legit reason to feed in a separate enclosure.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by SKYlord

So after doing a little bit of background checking I have noticed a few things.

First gluttony doesn't like to be questioned (or quoted) let alone proven wrong. I am not the only one he has gotten his panties in a twist from.

Secondly I read the rules and am not sure what exactly I broke unless it the disrespect Part. Please clarify.

Finally it seems that you keep mostly garters. Do you Cohab them? Is that why you have to feed half of them in totes?

Co habituating is the only legit reason to feed in a separate enclosure.

If you want to question breaking rules I think a private message to Wayne would be more ideal than airing that kind of thing openly on the forum.

Yes, Wayne openly admits to co-habitating his garters, as many garter keepers do.

[puffinluffin]

Originally Posted by SKYlord

Wow! You own forty snakes and this is the advice you give? This is terrible advice. Please disregard this advice, op. Unless you want to get bit that is.

Just feed in the enclosure as it is less stressful for the snake and a way safer habit for you to get in if you get larger snakes.

Lol. No problem. I'm pretty new to this.however my common sense nagged, and told be to leave him where he's most comfortable. I have decided to change things to what works best for me. I do majority of his care.

He ended up taking it no problem in the enclosure. Worked out fine.
Something in my head just said leave him alone Hah.

[Ms. Medusa]

Originally Posted by puffinluffin

Lol. No problem. I'm pretty new to this.however my common sense nagged, and told be to leave him where he's most comfortable. I have decided to change things to what works best for me. I do majority of his care.

He ended up taking it no problem in the enclosure. Worked out fine.
Something in my head just said leave him alone Hah.

Perfect! Listening to the voices in my head works for me too! I think you did a fantastic job of sorting through all the many viewpoints and coming up with your own!

[exwizard]

All of my snakes get fed in their enclosures. It's easier, both on the snakes and on the keeper, is less time consuming and is less likely the snake will go into feed mode when he's still "in transit" to the feeding tote resulting in getting tagged. As stated before, you do what is best for you and your snakes but this is what I have found that works best for me.

[Gluttony]

I defrost their prey, and put all the snakes in their totes, then I feed them all in one shot, while they eat I change out their water dishes and spot clean or break down the entire cage if needed. When I am done, since the totes are clear I examine them ,which I do before they go in the tote anyway & then I put them back in their enclosures.( as carefully as holding a newborn)
As for them ingesting substrate...I would rather not risk them eating ANY at all, since getting impacted CAN kill smaller snakes. Imagine eating your food whole with pieces of bark or particulate fecal matter stuck to it, I am positive this would cause you some discomfort, so why should it be okay for the snake.
99 percent of my snakes are neither cage aggressive nor are they aggressive after their meal.. I have never been bitten while tote feeding, I have however been bitten while cage feeding.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by Gluttony

I defrost their prey, and put all the snakes in their totes, then I feed them all in one shot, while they eat I change out their water dishes and spot clean or break down the entire cage if needed. When I am done, since the totes are clear I examine them ,which I do before they go in the tote anyway & then I put them back in their enclosures.( as carefully as holding a newborn)
As for them ingesting substrate...I would rather not risk them eating ANY at all, since getting impacted CAN kill smaller snakes. Imagine eating your food whole with pieces of bark or particulate fecal matter stuck to it, I am positive this would cause you some discomfort, so why should it be okay for the snake.
99 percent of my snakes are neither cage aggressive nor are they aggressive after their meal.. I have never been bitten while tote feeding, I have however been bitten while cage feeding.

snakes stomach acid can deal with teeth and bone,imo a bit of substrate will not cause any issues mate

also it's stomach acid remains in the stomach until the prey is fully digested,snakes are completely different to humans,so it's not any use compairing snakes to humans

a snake only starts to produce stomach acid once they take their prey

cheers shaun