What morph is this corn?

Reptile45 · 11-12-12, 02:58 PM

Hi all! I have a new to me corn and can't identify the morph. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks. I know the photo is terrible. Trying a better one

Reptile45 · 11-12-12, 03:00 PM

Here's a different pic. Still terrible

Ivalynfyre · 11-12-12, 04:46 PM

Maybe an anery?

bushsnake · 11-12-12, 04:50 PM

Its a ghost corn

Wyldrose · 11-13-12, 09:47 AM

Ghost or anery, could we see a belly picture? Look at the belly scales and the lines on the saddles are they black or a grey/brownish color? Black would be anery and the lighter is a ghost. A ghost is anery and hypo. Hypo reduces the black.

Reptile45 · 11-13-12, 11:09 AM

Wow the genetics confuse me so badly. I'm 90% there's no black. I'm thinking about breeding. I've got a normal, amel, a Miami and this one. Hoping to expand and maybe get some interesting morphs. Thanks for all the replies guys, ill take a pic of the belly and post tonight

Reptile45 · 11-13-12, 12:47 PM

I zoomed in on the photo with my phone and its white around the saddle. I'll take a pic of belly tonight

Snakefood · 11-13-12, 02:46 PM

definately not an anery. I don't think it's a ghost either.

small chance you have an Amber Upper keys, which is selectively bred. But I can't find any pics of the adult, just the hatchling

Amber Upper Keys Corn Snake - Ians Vivarium

Not sure what else to say, there's so much reddish/brown in those saddles!! You may have to do some test breeding to see what genetics make that beauty up!!

Reptile45 · 11-13-12, 03:58 PM

There is a lot of brown, that's what drew me to the snake. I'd never seen anything like it but my experience is limited. I am in west palm so not terribly far from the keys. I'll have to have the snake probed and see what my breeding possibilities are.

Wyldrose · 11-13-12, 05:30 PM

I don't see any caramel at all in that one. As caramels get older they get more golden yellow color. Anything with caramel in starts out very brown. Amber is caramel + hypo.

I'm betting it's a ghost, they can vary in shade a lot from really grey to really pink.
Ghost: Ghost Corn Snake - Ians Vivarium

Charcoal is another possiblity : Charcoal Corn Snake - Ians Vivarium
There is no yellow on the sides of the head are there? Charcoals usually have little to no yellow.

Snakefood · 11-13-12, 05:43 PM

I have yet to see either a ghost or a charcoal put out brown saddles like that, only ever saw them put out shades of gray.

Reptile45 · 11-13-12, 06:55 PM

Hey all, finally back from work. Took some new pics. There's no black whatsoever. The snake is a long way from being breedable, much too young. Here are some of the new pics. Anyways I'm gonna make plans for in a year or two to breed. Any tips to help nail down what morph this guy is? Right now I have a normal, amel, and a miami. Gonna have to get this guy probed to see who its compatible with but plenty of time to expand my collection.

Snakefood · 11-13-12, 07:25 PM

where did the brown go???? was it just the lighting????

if you had posted those pics first, I would have agreed with the ghost or something along those lines, seems very light for an anery (either A or B)

Reptile45 · 11-13-12, 07:55 PM

I think the white background made it look washed out. The snake definitely looks brown to my eyes. I showed the snake to my fiance to get an independent eye and she said light brown or caramel saddles on a gray background. I'm uploading a video to youtube now. Will post a link soon

Snakefood · 11-13-12, 08:00 PM

ya, I saw almost a reddish brown saddles.

caramel in an adult corn would show up far more yellow, but in a hatchling or yearling more brownish.

really, in order to find out what it is, you may need to try more than one mating. possibly anery A or charcoal (anery B), possibly caramel, possibly the upper keys selective bred that I mentioned.

So hard to start with an unknown quantity, especially when you are thinking of future breeding projects.