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07-15-12, 03:18 PM
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Varanus albigularis subspecies question
Recently I saw a classifieds ad selling "Varanus albigularis capiensis", a subspecies I had never heard of before. Looking at the pictures, they look identical to the V. a. albigularis I've seen. Was a new subspecies named, was albigularis reclassified as capiensis, or vice versa? Can anyone clarify for me what the deal is here? Google searches haven't come up with any answers.
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07-15-12, 03:30 PM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
Were they on Fauna Classifieds. If so the guy selling them is from England and the shipping would be quit high. As for your question i wish i could help, but i have know idea.
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07-15-12, 04:08 PM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
Yes they were on Fauna. I don't plan on getting one, as I have neither the space nor the money to afford one at the moment. Though if I was going to pay that much anyways, I'd go for it despite the high shipping cost. The costs of the care would so far exceed the initial cost that it wouldn't matter much to be honest.
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07-15-12, 04:34 PM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
They are one and the same as far as im aware there is no difference in scale count or hemi-penal morphology that being said they are a local of a. albigularis the main difference is coloration there are a few colour locals knocking about this is one of them...
much paler than a typical a. albigularis.
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07-15-12, 04:36 PM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
Ah, got it. Thanks for clarifying.
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07-15-12, 04:37 PM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
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Originally Posted by Pirarucu
Ah, got it. Thanks for clarifying.
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Theres also one with brown banding to as opposed to black
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07-21-12, 08:20 AM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
Capensis is not a legit subspecies. It is Varanus albigularis albigularis. People like to make things up as they go along in this hobby so it seems. Color variation is not enough to grant sub-species status.
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07-21-12, 08:38 AM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
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Originally Posted by Gregg M
Capensis is not a legit subspecies. It is Varanus albigularis albigularis. People like to make things up as they go along in this hobby so it seems. Color variation is not enough to grant sub-species status.
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Sounds like someone trying to play the "Locality" game like folks do with snakes.
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07-21-12, 10:21 AM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
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Originally Posted by infernalis
Sounds like someone trying to play the "Locality" game like folks do with snakes.
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Basically yes but his adults are stunning examples of a. a. Very clearly defined black bandingowith a very white foreground
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07-22-12, 07:00 AM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
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Basically yes but his adults are stunning examples of a. a. Very clearly defined black bandingowith a very white foreground
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It still does not make them their own subspecies. They are worth no more than any other cbb V.a.a. I have very stunnig examples of varanids and hognose snakes. Can I just make up a subspecies name for them based on what locality I THINK they are from too?
Plus, unless he went out and wild collected these animals himself, there is no way to tell if they actually originated from Cape. Not all capes are banded and not all banded are capes.
In my opinion, anyone serious about varanids or any reptile species should not just add a subspecies name because they feel like it or to add a few more bucks on to the price tag. In all honesty, in my eyes, it just makes them look bad.
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07-22-12, 09:28 AM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
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Originally Posted by Gregg M
It still does not make them their own subspecies. They are worth no more than any other cbb V.a.a. I have very stunnig examples of varanids and hognose snakes. Can I just make up a subspecies name for them based on what locality I THINK they are from too?
Plus, unless he went out and wild collected these animals himself, there is no way to tell if they actually originated from Cape. Not all capes are banded and not all banded are capes.
In my opinion, anyone serious about varanids or any reptile species should not just add a subspecies name because they feel like it or to add a few more bucks on to the price tag. In all honesty, in my eyes, it just makes them look bad.
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Couldn't agree more Gregg. The person in question always seems more bothered about the money than the actual animals he keeps.
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07-22-12, 09:29 AM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
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Originally Posted by Gregg M
It still does not make them their own subspecies. They are worth no more than any other cbb V.a.a. I have very stunnig examples of varanids and hognose snakes. Can I just make up a subspecies name for them based on what locality I THINK they are from too?
Plus, unless he went out and wild collected these animals himself, there is no way to tell if they actually originated from Cape. Not all capes are banded and not all banded are capes.
In my opinion, anyone serious about varanids or any reptile species should not just add a subspecies name because they feel like it or to add a few more bucks on to the price tag. In all honesty, in my eyes, it just makes them look bad.
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No way really? LOL
Have a beer gregg
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07-22-12, 09:30 AM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
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Originally Posted by Gregg M
It still does not make them their own subspecies. They are worth no more than any other cbb V.a.a. I have very stunnig examples of varanids and hognose snakes. Can I just make up a subspecies name for them based on what locality I THINK they are from too?
Plus, unless he went out and wild collected these animals himself, there is no way to tell if they actually originated from Cape. Not all capes are banded and not all banded are capes.
In my opinion, anyone serious about varanids or any reptile species should not just add a subspecies name because they feel like it or to add a few more bucks on to the price tag. In all honesty, in my eyes, it just makes them look bad.
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Couldn't agree more Gregg. The person in question always seems as though he is more bothered about making money rather than the animals themselves.
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07-22-12, 01:12 PM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
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Originally Posted by Gregg M
It still does not make them their own subspecies. They are worth no more than any other cbb V.a.a. I have very stunnig examples of varanids and hognose snakes. Can I just make up a subspecies name for them based on what locality I THINK they are from too?
Plus, unless he went out and wild collected these animals himself, there is no way to tell if they actually originated from Cape. Not all capes are banded and not all banded are capes.
In my opinion, anyone serious about varanids or any reptile species should not just add a subspecies name because they feel like it or to add a few more bucks on to the price tag. In all honesty, in my eyes, it just makes them look bad.
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Well said!
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07-21-12, 05:35 PM
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Re: Varanus albigularis subspecies question
Got it, that's what I was suspecting from the start, but wanted to be sure.
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