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03-14-11, 01:08 PM
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You can call me JR
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dog problems figured i'd ask
Ok so i have a few dogs. and im hoping at least one of you can help me with a few problems i have with them.
first off one of my dogs is extremely submissive i mean ridiculously, she has no reason to act this way we love her but whenever you get a lil stern (btw this is a we think there might be a slight amount of english pit but not much) she hunkers down with her legs apart and her tail between her legs and pees a little, and she does this even if we are telling her to sit so we can giver her a treat. so im asking on this part how do i up her confidence so she doesnt do this.
second problem has to do with the same dog, and another dog of ours, our English pit she is younger then the whip-it/pit but fully grown. and if the two are in the same vicinity they will fight. we haven't let them fight it out we always jump in and accept some collateral damage. So because of this they are constantly separated and have no access to each other and its a pain to rotate them. so on this one im asking how do i get them to stop fighting or what should i do.
(btw to any who remember my post on another thread that said i had a pointer i was wrong it is the whipit)
thanks guys i appreciate any help and if this is confusing or you need more specifics just ask.
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03-14-11, 01:15 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
hi,
I've got two dogs, male and female (dutch and german shepherds)
Since we got the puppy dutch shepherd our 3 year old german shepherd seems a lot more .. i can't think of the word, sort of calm to the extreme. I think it's because the puppy tires him out (she's a bit of a nut case) :P
have you had the dogs together since they were puppies? maybe it's stress if one dog is the clear alpha of the pack or if the introduction of a new dog is just too stressful for the existing one.
When the dogs are together (which is any time somebody is home, otherwise puppy is crated because her nickname is "destroyer") they bark at each other and jump and nip, but it's all fun and games, nobody gets hurt and they take breaks when they get tired or hear something. Or are your dogs fighting aggressively to the point where if you didn't intervene somebody would be hurt? (that again could be the alpha asserting dominance)
I hope everything works out well!
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03-14-11, 01:22 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
um no the whip-it/eng pit is about 3 years older then the english pit. and they lived side by side for 3 years and we got the english pit as a puppy. she is now full grown and a clearly dominant dog. my other dog accepted the submissive role with grace.
but to address your fighting question. i have no doubt they would fight to the death. and the english pit would obviously win. even in seconds before we can stop them my whipit get seriously fubar and has to be taken to the vet. and she is the one who initiates the fight. she runs full boar at the other one if seen and jumps on her back. the english pit never has initiated it.
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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03-14-11, 01:28 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
hmm, sounds to me like it could be a combo of stress/anxiety caused by such a dominant role in the other dog.
this is the training I used about a year and a half ago. He was very knowledgeable, he was a very intense trainer and it worked. the hard work paid off almost immediately, it was amazing. you could try emailing him and asking? when i was calling around looking for dog trainers he spoke to me for an hour and a half on the phone, more than willing to help out and answer questions I had. Dog Obedience Training | Toronto, Canada | Danno Schut
Good luck! keep us updated!
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03-14-11, 01:31 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
i live in the states and i cant make phone calls out of country but i'll e-mail him. thank you.
i just find it odd. because i have enforced the role of leader to me by eating first then feeding, walking through doors first, and proper leash technique to try and avoid similar problems.
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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03-14-11, 01:50 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
i sent the man an e-mail. if there is anything any of you can suggest please add
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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03-14-11, 02:11 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
I hope he replies and can help!
Hmm the puppy is the dominant one of my two dogs. if they are both outside and we say "sit" before they come in the door the german shepherd won't sit because the puppy will chew at his ears, he sort of has a reluctance and what could almost be called submissiveness when he is around the puppy, if she isn't within chewing distance he listens to and follows commands right away. that's what makes me think it's a dominance thing. dogs are pack animals and they need an alpha, that's just how they are.
Good luck!
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03-14-11, 02:30 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
yes i know they need a dominant figure and i tried to have that be me. the english pitt (her name is mary jane and the whipit/pitt is baby im going to call them that now) is the dominant one but she submits to me exactly how she should which is why im so confused as to how to stop them because yes mary jane is more dominant but they all recognize me as leader. in every sense of the dog meaning of the word, and they listen 100% i dont even need to leash my dogs to have them walk a half pace behind me and to my side and they dont run off unless i say they can. i was very proud of my dog training skills untill this happened (btw i still do use the leash because its law and common manners. btw they are not dog aggressive, only to each other.
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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03-14-11, 03:38 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
He contacted me pretty quick. He wants me to call him but i dont have that capability on my phone, so im going to borrow a friends in a day or two and talk to him.
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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03-14-11, 05:00 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
that's good at least, hopefully he can offer some suggestions 
Good luck with everything!
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03-14-11, 06:30 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
Was your Whippit once a race dog that you adopted?
I know with the grey hounds it can take a while for them to feel comfortable.
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03-16-11, 12:04 AM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
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Originally Posted by mld
Was your Whippit once a race dog that you adopted?
I know with the grey hounds it can take a while for them to feel comfortable.
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oh and no we saved her, her previous home bred whippits to help their american pitts learn to fight, "because they are fast and weak" (they are in prison) she was 2 months so i doubt this is an underlying cause
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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03-16-11, 06:11 AM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
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Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile
oh and no we saved her, her previous home bred whippits to help their american pitts learn to fight, "because they are fast and weak" (they are in prison) she was 2 months so i doubt this is an underlying cause
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it's still very possible. what happens to infants can effect the rest of their life. even if those bad people hadn't fought her yet, you have to think that dog probably heard and witnessed some awful stuff, yeah?
maybe the one dog is attacking not because she wants to be dominant but because she is scared and its a preemptive strike? have you noticed anything that seems to be the same with what's going on when she attacks?
maybe its because she knows you will save her? does it happen only when you are close or all the time? just throwing out the possibility, if it happens all the time I doubt it's that.
as all breeds, pit bulls do have some characteristics. they seem to be a hot topic for debate that people go nuts over. some people hate them, others adore them, usually both sides are so extreme that they aren't thinking. it's good you know what they were bred for and know that means they aren't bad dogs. I rarely see anyone else in the middle ground on this issue!
I hope you get it figured out. Fighting pets is never fun. I'm dealing with my own round of it with my ratties right now. Trouble is I can't tell who's doing what because they do it in their hides where I can't see and stop by the time I open the cage :S
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03-14-11, 07:39 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
i know a few things about dog behaviour that may help.
i will start with the convidence issue first;
as the 2 dogs fight, thers obviously a submissive and a dominent (sorry cant spell very well lol), the lack in convidence could very well be due to this and as both dogs go in the same room (maybe not at the same time), then both of there individual smells will be in the room, therefore causing stress and the need to be submissive all the time.
theres several ways to bring up a dogs convidence but the first thing is to make sure that u trust the dog and that the dog trusts you. if you have a park or large open area near you, put the dog on a rather long lead or piece of rope and give her more room so that you can let her run for quite a distance away from you and then (with a treat in your hand) kneel down and call her to you and once she comes offer her the treat, then just repeat the process until she no longer pees, another thing to try is to take her for a walk just u and her, build up a bond with her, she will learn to trust you and as she does her convidence with build up aswel.
the fighting;
by the sounds of it there 2 bitches, if the fighting started suddenly, then it could be because 1 of them has come into season, if not then its more than likely to be the lack of convidence in 1 of the dogs as this will change the atmosphere that surrounds the dogs when they are together and cause fights, this should settle down when the convidence issue is resolved.
i hope that this has helped
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03-14-11, 08:04 PM
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Re: dog problems figured i'd ask
Some of a dogs behaviour can be partially put down to breed as well, we have a black lab that wees if my voice is heard in a stern manner.
She wasn't like that until one day when working on my bike I slipped and knuckle scraped on the patio and swore rather loudly, and stepped backwards and put most of my weight on her tail.
She also does a small pee sometimes when she's excited.
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......and another dog of ours, our English pit.....
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Can you confirm that breed, I'm assuming you are saying an English Pit bull, if so then I can't figure out what dog it is as pit bulls are illegal in this country, and there are no English pit bulls as a recognised breed.
Or are you referring to the English Bull Terrier??
Bull Terrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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