38 gallon ok for a JCP?

TylerWortman · 10-05-10, 11:13 AM

Hey I was wondering which tank would be better to keep my jungle carpet python in for the rest of her life. I have a 40 breeder the dimensions are 36x18x17 that I plan on keeping her in but im getting a 38 gal and the dimensions are 36x13x20. Which tank do you think would be better for her when shes full grown?

gonesnakee · 10-05-10, 12:08 PM

Neither, you will want something that is 4ft X 2ft X 2ft or larger IMHO Mark

TylerWortman · 10-05-10, 01:24 PM

Yeah I know thats what I would liiike but I don't have room for that right now. I plan on Keeping her around 5 feet so that the cage isnt too small for her. I've been told by breeders that it is okay for them as long as i have stuff for her to climb

Jenn_06 · 10-05-10, 01:59 PM

i just have to ask how are you planing on keeping her around 5 feet? i just saw a female can get 8.5ft.

gonesnakee · 10-05-10, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenn_06

i just have to ask how are you planing on keeping her around 5 feet? i just saw a female can get 8.5ft.

My thoughts exactly.
So your plan is to intentionally try & stunt this animals growth?
Very, very, very BAD idea! Don;t compromise her health due to your lack of space.
As far as it goes the above enclosures would likely be good for approx 2-3 years, but she will require more space with age/growth.
We do not dictate to animals how big they can grow we accept the fact of what they can become as adults & plan for such or choose another snake that one can provide proper housing (space) for. Mark
P.S. ANY "breeder" that suggests that intentionally stunting an animals growth is "OK" is not worthy

Lankyrob · 10-05-10, 04:03 PM

Most snakes you are looking at 15+years of care and hopefully a lot longer. If you aren't able to provide the space, equipment and care for the adult animal then really you shouldn't get the baby animal.

TylerWortman · 10-05-10, 04:21 PM

I have seen JCPs that are 8 ft long. How do they get there? The owner feeds and feeds their snake. I have seen ball pythons over 5 feet. Why? Because the owner feeds and feeds and feeds their snake. I have seen JCPs that are 12 years old that are just at 5 feet and this is because they are perfectly healthy eating once every two weeks. It is very natural for these snakes to eat around 20 times a year and by doing so they do not become 8.5 ft they stay on the short end of the average size. Average size for JCP are 5-6 ft. Rarely do they become 8 ft and when they do its because they are offered food usually multiple times a week and because their owner want them to grow as big as they possibly can get. I most likely will build a tall vivarium for her in a couple of years but for now she will be perfectly healthy in her 40.

gonesnakee · 10-05-10, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerWortman

I have seen JCPs that are 8 ft long. How do they get there? The owner feeds and feeds their snake. I have seen ball pythons over 5 feet. Why? Because the owner feeds and feeds and feeds their snake. I have seen JCPs that are 12 years old that are just at 5 feet and this is because they are perfectly healthy eating once every two weeks. It is very natural for these snakes to eat around 20 times a year and by doing so they do not become 8.5 ft they stay on the short end of the average size. Average size for JCP are 5-6 ft. Rarely do they become 8 ft and when they do its because they are offered food usually multiple times a week and because their owner want them to grow as big as they possibly can get. I most likely will build a tall vivarium for her in a couple of years but for now she will be perfectly healthy in her 40.

WRONG!!! LMAO
Maybe some of our Aussie friends can pipe in here seeings how you are doubting those with over a decade of experience with the animals.
JCPs on average are around 7-8ft as full grown adults being fed once every 14-21 days as adults & once every 7-14 days as neonates/subadults.
Not sure who is filling your head with the BS you are trying to present here but thats what it is BS.
The smallest of the carpet subspecies are IJs & they average 5-7ft plus.
Its not uncommon at all for a properly maintained JCP to hit an excess of 8ft.
Best be doing some more research & look for some sources of info that are actually reliable

Cheers Mark
P.S. currently keeping apporx 30? "Carpets" Over the last decade I've kept/keep CCPs, JCPs, IJs, Bredli, Diamonds & various crosses of the subspecies as well as do most of my breeder friends.
Pretty confident I know what I'm doing

LOL

marvelfreak · 10-05-10, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerWortman

I have seen JCPs that are 8 ft long. How do they get there? The owner feeds and feeds their snake. I have seen ball pythons over 5 feet. Why? Because the owner feeds and feeds and feeds their snake. I have seen JCPs that are 12 years old that are just at 5 feet and this is because they are perfectly healthy eating once every two weeks. It is very natural for these snakes to eat around 20 times a year and by doing so they do not become 8.5 ft they stay on the short end of the average size. Average size for JCP are 5-6 ft. Rarely do they become 8 ft and when they do its because they are offered food usually multiple times a week and because their owner want them to grow as big as they possibly can get. I most likely will build a tall vivarium for her in a couple of years but for now she will be perfectly healthy in her 40.

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This is a 8' 4" female jungle carpet. So because my Jungle is over 8 feet i overfeed her? Does she look fat? Instead of listening to some dumb2232censored.gif You should do a little research. I owned her for nine years. She was about 2 and 1/2 feet when i got her.(a yearling) First two years i had her she ate once every two weeks. At about 4 years of age she stopped eating every Nov thru March. Breeding season. I try a rat every two weeks, but she won't touch them. End of March She will start eating once a month for two months then every other week. Come Oct. i feed her once a week. She eats roughly 14 to 16 times a year, but still grew 4 feet in the last 5 years. Oct is the only time she will eat once a week. I always try once a week in April and May, but she won't eat but once each of those monthes. I also Have a Borneo Short Tail python that for is a yearling that for the last 5 monthes will only eat once a month, but in that times grown 4 inches and keeps getting fatter. I try feeding every two weeks, but will only eat one small rat a month.

My Jungle is far from over fed, but slowly keeps growning. Who ever is feeding you these BS is a lying piece of 2232censored.gif. Just like with people genetics has a lot to do with it. Everything Mark said is correct. He is a very well respected breeder of carpet python who knows what he talking about. Also please PM this breeder name so i know never to buy from them.

Freebody · 10-05-10, 04:36 PM

i really hope your not going to hurt your snake to spite the facts we are telling you. your snake should be cages in a 4 foot long by 2'x2x enclose no matter what. you can obviously keep in in smaller cages for the first could years. but how are you to know if your going to have a small size snake vrs the guy with the same snake that got 8 feet? Lenth is not a product of over feeding like you claim, all over feeding does is make you snake fat and unhealthy, not execivly long, your snake should be fed adequately for its size. if your snake is getting fat cut back a little vise versa if its to thin. under feeding will dwarf your snake becuase you esentually killing your snake and not giving it what it need to properly grow, as a result you will have a tortured unhealth small snake, like gonesnakee said, which i might add he is a very respected well known snake breeder, he knows what hes talking about. What he just said is Fact. what your being told is missleading info to make a sale. if anyone is telling you underfeeding your snake to keep it small is a good thing dont listen to a word they have to say as they are selling you snakes for $ and care nothing of the snakes well being. we care for the snake well being and nothing more. I hope you change you mind on the matter for the snakes sake.

gonesnakee · 10-05-10, 04:38 PM

Keep in mind that some of these ying yang "breeders" keep adult Carpets in tubs in rack systems as well

Mark

Freebody · 10-05-10, 04:46 PM

sad but true. i will never do it myself, tubs in racks for the young, proper cages for adults is how i plan to breed snakes when the time comes. even if it means smaller collection to accomidate the room. if i want to make more money, more room will be needed. ill sleep in the carport if i have to LOL

Jenn_06 · 10-05-10, 04:50 PM

most snake are feed every 2 weeks that will not slow down the growth, all overfeeding does is make the snake grow faster fatter and die sooner. i dont know Mark(gonesnakee) but sounds like he knows what he is talking about.

and 4ft cage is not that big, so if you look really hard there will be a place you can put it.

gonesnakee · 10-05-10, 06:05 PM

On the whole 5-6ft thing etc. also keep in mind that some of these "breeders" think they need to start breeding Carpets at 1.5-2 YO as well

A female Carpet should be given at least 4 full years to grow & mature & males at least 2 IMHO
A female that was bred too small or too young will never reach her actual size potential.
Also a snake that is not fed enough does not use any of its food energy to continue growing, it uses it all just to subsist thus why there are these stunted specimens out there.
That & the fact that these "breeders" are breeding snakes far too small/young as well.
If given a full four years you will find that most ALL Carpets will reach at least 6ft, not all will but at least they were given the chance to fully mature prior being bred.
Keep in mind that snakes, just like humans etc. CAN successfully breed as "teenagers" but doesn't mean they should or are physically mature enough to do so without taking extra unnessicary risks. Mark
P.S. your snake will be fine in one of the tanks mentioned for at least 2 years or so anyhow.

percey39 · 10-05-10, 08:10 PM

Once again someone has misinformed you. I have heard of 9.5 foot jungle which to be fair is a massive jungle, but they will average around 7-8 foot long and will need a 4 x 2 x 2 size tank as a minimum. I would recommend a 4 x 2 x 3 for a jungle as they like to climb and stretch out.. Massive adult snaks are not caused by powerfeeding, its simply their genetics as they have good sized parents. Powerfeeding is a technique used by many ( most newbies overfeed snakes for their entirity of their life, nearly all snakes in collections are overfed by their wild counterparts standards ) Ii have done it to a few of my snakes, they are fed mainly birds and rabbits which are a very high protein and lean meat ( hardly any fat in these food types compared to rats and mice ). This will burst their growth rates when they are young and they become 2-3 times bigger than animals fed on 10 day basis. They are not unhealthy as when they are young they have an extremely fast metabolism which means all the excess proteins and fat are used to make the snake grow. Their metabolism slows around the age of 18 months this is where you can run into trouble with obese snakes and fat deposits on the liver and heart start to build.

As Mark said has said a lot of smaller animals are produce by snakes that were bred too early.

Listen to Mark as he does know what he is talking about. I have kept aussie snakes for a long time now and jungles are very capable of getting to 8 foot by the time they are 5-6years old. Who ever said to stunt your snakes growth does not deserve to be a breeder of any sort and if they are throwing that around to make sales than that shows me they are only in it for money, not the animals!!