Serious Problem Here...

[hooter]

Is it me or is there alot more threads on basic care questions for snakes in general. I have seen just in the past couple weeks probably more than a dozen threads with the subject being *can my snakes live together*

I just got done reading the thread of a guy who bought a BP and put it in a coffe can because he didnt have anything to house it in, let alone the supplies needed for proper care. I know this is a forum where people come to ask questions and so on but almost every thread title here lately has been stuff everyone thinking about owning a snake should already know.

I know there is no way to make people know the answers to these basic questions but I think we should at least make a thread for all these questions to be compiled into. This way when someone makes a thread about can I house my snakes together we can refer them to the *basics of snakes keeping thread* for the answer.

I think everyone would agree with me that the number of threads of people with ridiculous topics that should already be known before buying a snake is on the rise and it would be much easier to just send all these questions to one thread where the answers can be found. This would cut out a lot of the negative responses given by some members here and also help to inform the topic starter of the proper husbandry habbits to care for snakes.

I didnt start this thread to have it become an argument for whatever reason so please stick to the topic at hand and lets try something new to help out these misinformed, uneducated people on the proper ways of caring for their snakes.

[concept3]

Well, I dont know about you but I am almost willing to bet that most people that keep herps bought their very first herp on an impulse buy and their husbandry for that creature was not perfect. Maybe your perfect but most people went to a petstore and bought a snake not knowing how to properly care for It. Any person who denies that is either a liar or knew someone allready into herps. Remember when lots of us started keeping herps even me 8 years ago, you could not hop on your home pc and find a site like this, most people didnt have internet until 98 or so.
But back to the point you should not flame people for being ignorant you should try to help them. Dont ever protend your better because you were the same as them at one point.

[hooter]

Not my point at all.

Off topic already I see. Anyone who can come to these forums and ask for advice for the mistakes they made by buying a animal without knowledge of it can also use the internet for research before they buy. Thats their own fault. Its not about what the people did but how we can help them so im saying lets a make a thread with the most common questions and send anyone asking basic generalized questions to the thread for the answer. This would save me and you time by not having to explain it over and over.

[marisa]

But if you aren't here to ask questions and read others replies why even come to an internet forum?

No matter how basic, or advanced the questions are, or how often each is asked....the whole point of an internet forum is for learning, sharing your experience, "polling" other owners of a species, and getting hands on information over care sheet styled info. That's it. Without those aspects, it not a forum at all, but a page with a bunch of questions that are answered in one general way rather than a discussion.

Newbies need to learn too. I am in aggrement with you on the research first aspect as it pisses me off how ignorant some people are...BUT....at the same time I am willing to answer the same newbie question again and again. If I wasn't willing, I simply would not visit ssnakess.com

Just MHO. I do agree with lots of your points and see what you are saying as I myself hate the constant impulsing and what not. But that's just what the forum is for really, amongst other things.

Marisa

[marisa]

Oh and BTW some of the mods did a great job including a "FAQ" or caresheet at the top of many forums here. Those do the job just fine IMHO.

Marisa

[ydnic]

Thats right , most people buy their first reptile at a pet store. If you`ve ever been to a pets store most of the snakes are housed TOGETHER, when you get them home you would think that you could keep them together

When I got my first two corns I bought them at pet land - there was 6 in a tank together and I bought two - i kept them togther and they were fine - afterwards I bought many from different people breeding and not and they had kept some of the ones I purchased together - I had all of the different lizards that wre same species together and did not have any problems so I automatically thought the same would work for my snakes

not everyone knows everything like some people apparently and fortuanately sights like this were created for a novice herper to ask any and ALL questions regaurding reptiles

one more time hooter if you don`t like don`t reply
there are several people on here willing to give constructive feedback

[hooter]

Ok im not going to throw my points and views around on this thread for it to turn into a flame war like every other thread on this forum so i'll just leave it at this. To me this would be the best thing the forum could do. If you guys wanna hear these bad threads and call out people for their bad care then so be it.

All I was trying to do was make a thread with the most asked questions and send people that ask those questions to the thread for a ANSWER. Most people that ask novice questions dont even get a answer because they get flamed to hell and by the time they do get a answer they are long gone from this board.

I just figured it would make it more simple and easy to inform people on the proper ways of keeping snakes. Ya'll make it sound as if this is a bad idea and for what reason I have no clew. I have seen it done on other forums and it works great and gives the people asking the questions some great responses without the negativaty.

[marisa]

You are overly sensitive! No one is turning ANYTHING into a flame war, or anything else. I don't even understand what website you are reading because I see a 100% different picture.

If you don't like ssnakess.com then find a place thats more appealing to you personally! It's that simple. If you do like it and have something to share, thats amazing and all the members including myself are quite welcoming! I just cannot believe your reply here! No one here is "negative" or "mean" and frankly any replies you feel are mean, maybe you should simply PM the writer of them and tell them how you feel? We already HAVE the things you are suggesting. FAQ's, and caresheets. If you didn't know, FAQ stands for "Frequently Asked Questions" which is essentially what you are talking about.

Maybe one of the first suggestions you should be giving out is one to yourself.....

"To: Me Re: RELAX! It's only a discussion on the internet!"


Marisa

[ydnic]

really because I noticed that ont he last post about keeping snakes together you were the only person to flame - and then that person made another post that they decided to to seperate them
It seems that everyone elses advise worked fine

[hooter]

ydnic,

Dont cary your hate twords me from another thread please. Stop being childish please.

[Matt_K]

If you guys can't play nice, you're both going for a time out..

Seriously now, Chill out, both of you.. If you guys have a problem with one another, take it up in private..

As Marisa stated, there are FAQ threads at the top of MOST of the forums on this site that cover just about all the BASICS, as well as a caresheet section.. So what else do you think we could do to, "try something new to help out these misinformed, uneducated people on the proper ways of caring for their snakes." ?? By the way, just because they don't understand how to properly care for their animals, doesn't mean they're 'uneducated'..

[Jeff_Favelle]

I think its very very sad how little research people do when buying a pet reptile. I think that its DOUBLY sad as to how easy it is for these very same people who know ZERO about keeping reptiles to acquire them. I don't know the answer. There's an FAQ at the top of each forum, yet people either seem too stupid or too lazy or both to read them before asking a question that would invariably be answered by reading the FAQ.

And it doesn't stop here. I get 3-4 emails per week from people wishing to buy their first snake and they say they are all set up with hot rock, aquarium (fish cage people), and basking lamp. And they go on to inquire about Rainbows Boas! Is that not insane? Needless to say, I set them straight before any animal leaves. But are all breeders like that? No. And pet stores certainly don't care how much knowledge a person has.

Its a sad state of affairs. All we can do is to do our part to educate. ..........

[hooter]

Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
I think its very very sad how little research people do when buying a pet reptile. I think that its DOUBLY sad as to how easy it is for these very same people who know ZERO about keeping reptiles to acquire them. I don't know the answer. There's an FAQ at the top of each forum, yet people either seem too stupid or too lazy or both to read them before asking a question that would invariably be answered by reading the FAQ.

And it doesn't stop here. I get 3-4 emails per week from people wishing to buy their first snake and they say they are all set up with hot rock, aquarium (fish cage people), and basking lamp. And they go on to inquire about Rainbows Boas! Is that not insane? Needless to say, I set them straight before any animal leaves. But are all breeders like that? No. And pet stores certainly don't care how much knowledge a person has.

Its a sad state of affairs. All we can do is to do our part to educate. ..........

Wow, Someone that actually understands what im saying oh and Matt if they dont know how to care for a snake then what are they? I always thought uneducated was the word for that...

Im uneducated about a lot of things. That means I dont know about these things which would be the same as what I just said. Is the word uneducated different where you come from or something? Not being mean so dont take it the wrong way but uneducated might mean something totaly different for you. I myself go by dictionary standards...

[Matt_K]

You threw the term out in a general sense.. They're not UNEDUCATED, they're uneducated on the care of reptiles, not in general.. That's what I meant by what I said..

[hooter]

Originally posted by Matt_K
You threw the term out in a general sense.. They're not UNEDCUATED, they're uneducated on the care of reptiles, not in general.. That's what I meant by what I said..

I cant say I clearly understand what you mean. I never said UNEDCUATED I said uneducated.

*uneducated*

adj 1: not having a good education [ant: educated] 2: not adequately educated in the use of numerical terms and concepts

How can that be taken the wrong way? LOL you confuse me