Stevie's got more problems.

beth wallbank · 07-29-02, 08:58 AM

The problem that Stevie is having is he's in the mood for love. It's not his intestines!! It's his *****. Soak him in a warm bath.

beth wallbank · 07-29-02, 08:59 AM

the ******** out word is google berries.......

beth wallbank · 07-29-02, 12:07 PM

Sorry Little One, just received this from a friend of mine whom also is a vet tech, and with looking at this, seems Stevie has a penial prolapse. This is not his bowls. Soak him in water.

beth wallbank · 07-29-02, 12:09 PM

here is another copy of the pictures that came from Little One for all of those that can confirm the prolapse.

ReneeB · 07-29-02, 12:32 PM

Little One I have some questions for you..

If Stevie is haven't so many problems and they keep coming back, why aren't you putting him out of his misery by euthanasia?

Why are you letting this leo you supposedly love so much suffer?

If he's got as many problems as you say he does, don't you think he's better off dead? Atleast that way he wouldn't be suffering.

Since he's so sick, he is not good for breeding. And if he's 'just a pet' then why are you making him suffer?

From the pics I've seen of Stevie, it is a hemi-penial prolapse. An intestinal prolapse is not that red, and would bulge alot more. It would also have a blackish colouring because if the semi digested food inside it.

ReneeB · 07-29-02, 01:39 PM

wow someone's hyper defensive..

it was a personal statement.. I think stevie is repeatedly suffering and if he were my leo I'd give serious thought to what would be best for him.. really what kind of life is he having being sick all the time?

I've had to make this decision myself on a few pets I've had over the years and it's one of the hardest things to do, but if you like having your pets in pain and suffering repeatly then that's your personal decision. I don't feel that temporary 'fixes' at the solution, and actually make things worse in the long run.

Murray · 07-29-02, 02:27 PM

Wow. Little one, I think you need to take a step back here and look at the big picture. Everybody on this forum is not trying to "kill" you gecko at all! We are all here with the best of intentions in mind. However, I would recommend that you take your gecko to the vet where a certified vet can tell you what the prolapse is. On the otherhand there are more than a couple vet technicians who are heavily involved in the herping community who post on this forum and you might want to atleast take their oppinion into consideration as I believe that you only aquired your first gecko in May and dont have the experience or knowledge to diagnose animals yourself. Now, just to make myself clear I am in no way, shape or form calling you insuffient, unknowledgable or incapable of anything, I am merely stating that you are not a vet nor are qualified to make diagnosis yourself. And in my opionion looking at those photos it looks to be a hemipenial prolapse. I have had one qecko who has prolapses a couple of times and I always soak him in warm water with a tablespoon of EPSON salt(must be EPSON or you will pickle your geckos testicles!!) Now, in regards to taking Christine's advice, that is completely your choice, but why not take the advice of caring herpers and QUALIFIED VETS than somebody who struggles to care for herps that are on the brinks of death. Take a look at the photos that Deb is going to post for you to see. Chrisine has good intentions but does not have the knowledge, capacity or patients to deal with the herps that she has. And if I were you I would take a pop down to the RRR and see for yourself and take a look first hand at all the suffering animals that unfortunely call that place home. JMHO.

Murray

Murray · 07-29-02, 02:32 PM

I forgot to mention that I have aquired countless geckos, snakes etc.. from beth none of which have have any health problems. So not to sure why you woul be the only one having this Flukes problem, I have never ever encountered any problems from Beth. One questions though, was it the vet that diagnosed Flukes or somebody else?

Murray

little one · 07-29-02, 02:54 AM

Oh....the poor guy. This nightmare just doesn't end for him.

He was doing so well, and then tonight I noticed that he wasn't walking right. He was swinging his right back leg out but dragging it, so I carefully picked him up to take a look and see what was up. His vent was so red I thought he was bleeding!!!!! He started freaking out and doing the death roll, so I calmed him down and took another look and it would appear that he is prolapsing something. Given his recent history with the bacterial infection and the flukes affecting his colon, it stands to reason that his is part of his intestines.

I don't know how fast it's possible for me to get him to his vet.....I'm thinking Saturday might be the earliest (I hope not!).
There's not a lot of tissue prolapsing right now. I have soaked him in warm water and it did seem to help a bit. I have a couple of pictures, email me for them if you think it will help. I'm going to phone the vet in the morning......anything else I can do for my guy?

little one · 07-29-02, 10:52 AM

No, Beth. From his bout with flukes and the intestinal bacterial infection, his intestinal walls have been weakened and it's part of his intestines coming out.

little one · 07-29-02, 12:14 PM

yes, I've been talking with the vet and with Candy from Reptile Rescue (she's an angel!!) and they both say that it is a prolapse of the INTESTINES caused from the flukes that he had when I got him. This is a common problem in leos that have been as sick as he was. I will deal with it and he will be fine.....just like I dealt with the flukes and the bacterial infection. Oh, and the prolapse went back inside last night after I had soaked him. I will deal with the rest of his problems too.
Feel any more inclined to honor the deal like you should?

little one · 07-29-02, 12:58 PM

I don't need any of you telling me that it's been "confirmed"....I didn't lie about it! And the idea that you thought I did is a massive insult! The nerve!
And the audacity to suggest that I have my beloved animal put down because he's having successive problems is absolutely ridiculous and inhumane! How dare you! You should be embarrassed!
And to mistrust the woman that has done more good for Stevie than anybody else! Well!!! I have never met a bunch of more self-centered, egotistical, and self-righteous people in all my life. What an indignation! You people should all be ashamed of yourself for the words of "advice" regarding my sweet innocent little Stevie - who didn't ask for this and it's my duty as a caring and loving owner to do everything in my power to help him!

little one · 07-29-02, 01:07 PM

I KNOW my QUALIFIED HERP VET and Candy who deals with this stuff ALL the time know what they are doing and aren't as insensative as you clods are. I am more disturbed by the "helpful" suggestion of killing him than of your offer to help through this other web site, deb. I wasn't going off on you, and I'm sorry if it looked that way. The insensativity hit me pretty hard...I couldn't do that to an animal unless it was the only option. It isn't here.
I have been talking to Dr. Upjohn...he's a qualified herp vet and he's been helping Stevie since he came to me with flukes. He knows the history and everything and from Stevie's history, it's an intestinal prolapse and not his hemipenes.
If there are any truly helpful suggestions, I am more than happy to listen to them, but I don't want to hear anything more about killing my baby. Please.

little one · 07-29-02, 01:44 PM

ReneeB: I don't think I'm working at temporary solutions. You would be hyper-defensive too if it were your animal that you were trying to save and you cared about him like I care about Stevie. He came to me originally sick...that sickness had gone on long enough to cause these subsequent problems that must be dealt with before he can be as healthy as my other 6 leos. I am working at new problems that were created by the old ones.
I'm working at saving his life before killing him is the only option left.

little one · 07-29-02, 02:43 PM

No, deb. He is clearly not fine and neither is Stevie, but we are not talking about the same person.