geting a cp this sat

[snake_goth]

well i might be geting my cp this sat the guy on the phone sed its a comon and i asked a few peeps and thay sed its a Coastal ive allready got his/her tank ready and i just whant to know what do u think boy or girl??

[Zoe]

This breeder really doesn't sound like he knows what he is doing. "Coastals" aren't called "Commons" very often. You'd be best off to find a better breeder, that was you're assured a quality animal.

Zoe

[snake_goth]

well i went there and it seem's like a good breeder but that was b4 thay had the cp plus the guy who was on the phone sounded like a guy who works at the till u know, knows not thay mutch about the snake's there site is www.prestigeherps.com thay might of sed coastals but the conectshon wasnt that good plus i had slipknot blasting out of my sterio

[Zoe]

The url doesn't work. Well, make sure you look over the snake and his care and facilities carefully before buying. Try and get him to feed it while you're there, and check the water dish and snake for mites. The last thing you want is to get a thin, mite-and-parasite infected, fasting snake.

Zoe

[snake_goth]

i allways do that wen looking to buy a animal o and ime geting a girl (the guy sed he had 3 so he might have a girl
o and the url is www.prestigeherps.co.uk sorry

[gonesnakee]

I would not base your decision based on Zoe's comment refering to it as a "common". Bad advice Zoe! For starters you have a Canadians opinion of what could very possibly be a "common" British term for the Coastal. She has absolutely zero basis to question the breeders integrity based on a "slang term". What he calls what is his business it doesn't nessicarily reflect the quality of the animal or the conditions in which its kept. This is just another good reason to use Latin names when dealing with people overseas etc. & pics always help. I call most Corn snakes "commons" that a lot of people would call Okeetee, Talahasse, Miami, whatever, I just use the term "common" because its easy & they are common to me. Does this mean that I too don't seem to know what I'm doing in reguards to breeding & that I keep poor quality animals? I hardly think so & anyone that has ever dealt with me can confim it. So base your decision on fact rather than someone elses "poor opinion". My opinion Mark I.

[snake_goth]

thx but i thin it is a coastal but ime hoping its a jungle so ime w8ing intil i get her to start work on her adualt tank can u plz help me with a Q tho its in genral enclosher its called "heat lamp Q" thank u

[Zoe]

gonesnakee - i don't think my opinion is poor. I wouldn't be too eager to buy from a person who calls a jungle carpet a forest carpet, or a yellow-banded-phase carpet. If they don't know what the snake is called, what's to say they know how to care for it? Coastal is the accepted SSP name, and as she said other people thought it was a coastal too, so I don't think in england they call them "commons". And anyway, coastals aren't that more commonly found in captivity. I know more people with Jungles and IJs than people with coastals, so what would justify calling them commons?

As stated, she should go take a look first. Had she posted the url first, I'd probably have felt differently. But for all I know she contacted some low-life who gets in hundreds of snakes a week and doesn't know what half of them are, but sell them anyway. Would you buy from a person like that? Exactly why she needs to go take a look first. That might seem like common sense, but it isn't for everyone.

As for your example, corn snake COLOUR MORPHS are not the same as carpet python SUBSPECIES. It's like if I called Nosy Be Panther Chams (as opposed to ambanjas) commons, but there is nothing to make Nosy Bes more commons that Ambanjas.
If you called black rats "commons", who would know what you were talking about?

Not everyone out there is a good, reputable breeder. If you assume the best in everyone (especially someone who doesn't know the common name of the snake they are dealing with) you can easily end up with a sick snake. I didn't say it for sure, but it's a possibility that needs to be considered, which is why its good to have a couple breeders in mind.

And see? She doesn't even know if its a jungle or not. The fact that he doesn't know the proper common name of the snake (lets face it, when it comes to Coastals and Jungles, there aren't any other common names) affects her, in that she doesn't know what size to make the cage, humidity, heat, etc. She doesn't know what price range she's looking at, etc.

[gonesnakee]

I'm not saying all your advice is bad Zoe but you made a totally negative assumption right off the bat IMO & told him to ditch the breeder for no other reason than terminology. Futhermore you again are talking from your CDN point of view & are assuming that the same applies worldwide. Snake Goth even stated that he/she wasn't even sure what was said & you assume the worst & tell them to look elsewhere, assuming it must be a poor source. Everything I've stated refers to your first post . As for your other advice its good but thats not what I was commenting about. I for one as a breeder would not like to lose out on business based on an opinion of someone who knows nothing about me or really what was discussed & futhermore from another continent. I stand by my opinion & I am done. Sorry to have upset you, its nothing personal or anything, just opinion LOL! Mark I.
P.S. Snake Goth make sure you research the animal & breeder properly before commiting once you find out for sure whats up.
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[MudBoy]

Well this is interesting!!
I would have to blame our English friend for this argument, the info was a little sketchy from the start and yes they do use different names to most of usbut hey they drive the same cars as us and call them different names as well.
The term "Common Coastal Carpet snake" is used quite a bit here in Australia as well. I have at least 20 "what I would call " common coastals, meaning just normal old carpet snakes, no fancy colours, no lateral stripes, just "common" old carpet snakes.

Dont get me wrong here I love them all and I can see both sides of the argument but I would hate to think that someone would not buy a snake from me on the grounds that I called it something they didnt like! But in Zoe's defence I could also give the prospective buyer every bit of info they needed as to what were the breeding lines and where the snake originated from, but to most new snake owners this is not important, they have made the decision to buy a snake as a pet and if the old bug bites then they can research the history of the new snake and take it from there.

As I said the info was "grey" for want of a better term and both sides being Zoe and gonesnakee have valid points but the term "common" is used here in Ozz all the time and believe me Zoe they are common here, I have a running battle with the lil wild buggers over our rat room every night.
Well thats all I have to say on it and snake_goth I wish you well with your new buddy "what ever it is" and hope it all goes well.

p.s. Take Zoe's advice re the viewing of the snake feeding and the check for mites as this is just common practice and the retailer should have no problem with it. If he does then come back and ask these people for some advice and make sure you have ALL the facts about your snake to share with them so they may help.

Cheers

Rick.

[Zoe]

Ahhh but common coastal is still different... It's like me calling my Irian Jayas "Common Carpets" because they arent, I dunno, banded or albino :P

Mark - yes I agree, my first post was a little void of anything positive. I guess I'm just a stickler for professionalism. I'd never tell a first-time carpet owner that he was getting an "Irian" or "IJCP", I'd tell them the real common name and latin name bla bla bla. I thank the lord (lol) that Morelia Spilota SSPs are really easy to pronounce!

Zoe

[Emily-Fisher]

Gonesnakee, us canadians may have different ways to say things but it doesn't mean that our poinion is <i>wrong</i>. Here in canada, Python Regius is called a Ball Python but I believe that in Englang, they are called Royal Pythons. Same latin name, different common name. Just because they are different, it doesn't mean that we are <i>wrong</i>. But also next time you should rephrase what you say because from reading your message to Zoe, <i>you</i> were the one who was sounding rude. You could of easily said the same thing using different wording without it sounding rude. If everyone has to agree with <i>your</i> opinion, then what's the point of even having one? Maybe Zoe's information was wrong but at least she did the research to answer snake_goth's question. So what if her research might of been wrong? Everyone makes mistakes. Would you like it if everytime you ade a mistake, people jumped on your back and picked on you? I don't think so! You wouldn't be able to learn that way. If I had to agree with someone's info, it would be Zoe's. Just try to use better wording next time you type out a message directly to someone for it may hurt their feelings.

[snake_goth]

i have 1 thing to say ime a GUY!!!!!!!! allso i have done my reserch on the breeder and as i sed ive been there, ive sorry to start a argument, i will do but i have a thing about leaving runts of the liter behind wen i was breeding rats (and seling them) i allways kept the runts of the liter and thay lived long and good lives. i might get the one thats isnt the runt but isnt the best. but i wont get him to feed it due to it might throw up the food on the trip to my home. but i will realy look at his her health.
and just becos thay say common dusnt mean thay dont know anny thing about keeping cp's, u say tamato i say tomato.
ps.ime geting a girl (if thay have 1)and calling her fluffy

[Zoe]

Now then, I didn't say the breeder didn't know what they were doing, I said it sounded like it. I didn't have much information to base this on, and someone telling a first time carpet owner that he has "commons" for sale is missing something, be it salesmanship or knowledge of the subspecies. It's also the buyer's duty to ask questions, but the seller should have answered as many as possible first.

Emily - yes, but Royal Python is also recognized here. When's the last time you heard a coastal being referred to as a common?

If everyone has to agree with your opinion, then what's the point of even having one?

Now when did I say that? It's not as though I said "That guy is a moron, buy from someone else or you'll get a sick snake."

Lets all get a little less sensitive, OK? Mark's point was entirely valid and I do agree with him, my first post could have had more info in it. But I wouldn't go so far to say as it was incredibly rude, offensive and conceited.

Snake_Goth - hehe, sorry! It's hard to tell online if you don't sign your name or something, and weren't going to call you an "It"
How far is the ride home? If it isn't that long (1/2-1 hr) and bumpy you shouldn't have a problem with the snake throwing up if it is healthy, just request the meal be small and it should be fine.

[snake_goth]

if he has a sick snake i wont buy (but i will feel bad for months leaving that poor snake in a bad shape) but i will have to go up to newcastle to a PET SHOP! and spend £15 more to get one from a PET SHOP so ime going to proberly get one from the guy ime going to this sat. (the pet shop souds like one that isnt that good the one in newcaste that is)