Help confirm suriname

Dom559 · 07-08-18, 12:56 AM

Hello I recently acquired what iv been told is a almost 2 year old male suriname. Will be 2 on july 22. He measures just over 4 foot. I'd like to know if he really is a suriname or? He has pink/red all the way to his face on the sides and has a beautiful blue/green shine down the sides. Im more familiar with retics and balls so not sure if he is what iv been told.

craigafrechette · 07-08-18, 06:12 AM

I'm not going to be able to help, regardless, but it's almost impossible for anybody to help without a picture.

Dom559 · 07-08-18, 12:24 PM

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I'm not going to be able to help, regardless, but it's almost impossible for anybody to help without a picture.

Well than i guess i didnt do it right very sorry about that didnt even notice lol

craigafrechette · 07-08-18, 02:24 PM

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Well than i guess i didnt do it right very sorry about that didnt even notice lol

Hahaha, no worries. Like I said, I won't be any help with ID, though. I don't keep boas and morph ID is far from my area of expertise

richardhind · 07-09-18, 01:14 AM

really nice looking boa
the tail deffinetley looks right for a bcc or bc ,just not very deep bat saddles like most surinames, they are slightly dimpled tho so i would say yes too
congratulations on your new boa

Dom559 · 07-09-18, 01:18 AM

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really nice looking boa
the tail deffinetley looks right for a bcc or bc ,just not very deep bat saddles like most surinames, they are slightly dimpled tho so i would say yes too
congratulations on your new boa

yeah the saddles through me off too but 1/4 of the saddles mainly the larger ones have a very bat like symbol. Do the green blue flakes/shine he has all down his sides and honestly through out most his body mean anything special or is that just a boa pr Suriname trait?

Dom559 · 07-08-18, 12:33 PM

1202 · 07-08-18, 02:09 PM

I'm not an expert but my vote is yes. And I'll be over in a flash to take it off your hands lol.

**Andy_G** · 07-09-18, 11:27 AM

It is my opinion that your boa has heavy BC (BCC) influence, but without knowing actual lineage, it may very well be the result of a cross. That's the best and most ethical answer that you will get.

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remember the bcc distribution area is a fair size and not all are going to have the extreme bat like saddles that some have that have come out of Suriname and other local areas like Guyana etc.

nearly all my boas are iridescent, i think its a boa trait but my pure local boas my Peruvian and my Nicaraguans are more so than my bci morphs except my img like shes just really glossy with being nearly black

i would have that boa too,thats for sure

Rich - Suriname and Guyana...the only thing separating the two countries is a river which is easily swam across for a boa if it so chooses. Importers from that region are also notorious for fibbing to get top dollar, so many consider the two to be one in the same because of that, but certainly not everyone may think that. I do. Distinguishing features comparing between the "two" locales from each other are VERY anecdotal. Also, saddle shape is an unreliable feature, because with BCC you have everything available from almost fully striped to huge widow peaks to no peaks at all.

bigsnakegirl785 · 07-09-18, 07:27 PM

Agree with Andy and Richard here, likely a Suri, and definitely shows predominantly BCC characteristics.

Even my keel-scaled garter snakes have iridescence (though it's difficult to see because of the keels), so the iridescence doesn't indicate anything out of the ordinary. Most snakes have it to varying degrees. It's due to the way the scales reflect or refract light iirc.

Dom559 · 07-09-18, 07:40 PM

Thanks for all the awesome replies everybody really glad to find out he is more than likely a true Suriname im trying to get ahold of the breeder to find out thr lineage. Hes become my baby and has the best temperament iv ever seen in a boa.
If i were to ever breed him what type of female would make a good pair? Another true suriname? Some type of a BCI morph? I love the jungle hypo colors.

bigsnakegirl785 · 07-10-18, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom559

Thanks for all the awesome replies everybody really glad to find out he is more than likely a true Suriname im trying to get ahold of the breeder to find out thr lineage. Hes become my baby and has the best temperament iv ever seen in a boa.
If i were to ever breed him what type of female would make a good pair? Another true suriname? Some type of a BCI morph? I love the jungle hypo colors.

I would caution against breeding a snake with unknown origins, especially a normal potential locality.

If you want to do a Suriname breeding project, I'd encourage getting an individual from a locality breeder, so you know for sure what you're getting. They will likely be more expensive, but will be of a higher quality, and you'll have a better idea of what you're getting.

I'm also not a fan of hybridizing BCC with BI morphs, but Suris are used quite consistently in various morph projects to increase color and contrast. If you do make hybrids, be sure to mark them clearly.

Dom559 · 07-10-18, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsnakegirl785

I would caution against breeding a snake with unknown origins, especially a normal potential locality.

If you want to do a Suriname breeding project, I'd encourage getting an individual from a locality breeder, so you know for sure what you're getting. They will likely be more expensive, but will be of a higher quality, and you'll have a better idea of what you're getting.

I'm also not a fan of hybridizing BCC with BI morphs, but Suris are used quite consistently in various morph projects to increase color and contrast. If you do make hybrids, be sure to mark them clearly.

I will definitely be getting in touch with breeder to see what i can find out. What are the questions i should be asking? I've been looking at a lot of pictures of surinames in other close localities to him and he sure looks like a Surinam to me and I've yet to find a picture with markings on his tail like he has which I find strange. What kind of morphs do you know that are being produced from suris? I've been looking and I haven't seen many morphs just BCI crosses which I would really really like to avoid. I have been told that the father is an absolutely stunning Suriname specimen

bigsnakegirl785 · 07-10-18, 06:42 PM

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I will definitely be getting in touch with breeder to see what i can find out. What are the questions i should be asking? I've been looking at a lot of pictures of surinames in other close localities to him and he sure looks like a Surinam to me and I've yet to find a picture with markings on his tail like he has which I find strange. What kind of morphs do you know that are being produced from suris? I've been looking and I haven't seen many morphs just BCI crosses which I would really really like to avoid. I have been told that the father is an absolutely stunning Suriname specimen

Most locality breeders will have lineage information on multiple generations of pure Suriname breedings. Some may even have CITES paperwork. This isn't guaranteed that what you have is a Suriname, due to exportation practices in those countries and the way WC are handled here in the states, but is very promising. So, if you're wanting to know if the snake is pure (or as pure as we can guarantee), then you should be asking the breeder about how long they've been working with Suris, whether that particular snake was produced by them or not, and any information they can provide on its parents/grandparents/great-grandparents/etc.

His tail markings are quite average for a Suriname BCC, nothing out of the ordinary. Normals are quite variable in color and pattern.

There are no currently pure BCC morphs in captivity whatsoever. If a morph has BCC in it, it is a cross.

Some morphs, such as jungles, were originally found in BCC, but have been so heavily crossed into BI that there are no remaining pure individuals in captivity, and the BI blood far outweighs any BCC blood.

I see BCC most commonly crossed into albino/sunglow and hypo projects, where the red color, deeper blacks, and higher contrast compliments them well. I also see them sometimes used in pastel breedings, for much the same reasons, but pastels aren't morphs.