Would you consider a Wester hognose a HOT?

[homebrewed]

I've been trying to gather alot of info on these guys and there has been alot of talk about rear fanged sp. being considered HOT's.

Here's what I read "Although hognose snakes are not poisonous to humans, they do have a venom that is released through hollow back teeth into their prey."

on hognose.com, there isn't anything about this under their description, but I've read it on otherpages.

Can someone send me in the right direction?

thanks

Tim

[homebrewed]

I guess I answered my question with that quote... but would still like to hear some opinions.

Anyone ever get bit, if so did you experience anything?

[Matt]

ive been bit by my hognoses a number of times and nothing has ever happened.

this is what i know, someone please correct me on any info that may be incorrect.
hognoses are not considered to be venomous, as i understand it, they secrete a digestive juice in their mounths that act as a digestive aid. This can be an irritant in humans, and if you are allergic, can cause some problems

rear fanged are HOT, as far as i am concerned that is not a debate, BUT i dont think hagnoses are considered rear fanged.

confusing issue, im still not 100% on it, so maybe someone else wants to jump in!

[LdyDrgn]

I guess the best term would be mildly HOT (except for the Boomslang, of course!). The Hognosed may not have very large rear fangs and they do have to chew quite a bit to inject enough venom to really cause problems, but they are still considered "rear-fanged"

Everything you want to know about Hognosed snakes

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[homebrewed]

here we go (still don't think I've completely covered this site yet)

http://www.hognose.com/pages/venomous.htm

[Matt]

so they are rear fanged?
i always thought heterodon was not able to inject venom, but lioheterodon and lystrophis were able to envenomate
hmm, i guess i stand corrected!

[sparkon16]

I thought that the were considered venomous but their venom is not like others.
I have no idea if this is right but I think it can make things sleepy what ever the word
for that is.

Deuce(a little of what i've heard)

[BWSmith]

I have not heard of any symptoms from most hognoses. I have heard scattered reports of mild reactions from Malagasy Hogs but no documentation I can put my hands on at the moment.

[homebrewed]

This is what I've been looking for, for the last week. I saw these pictures about a year ago.

Hognose Bite

I'm sure this may be an extreme, but I hope that doesn't happen to me when and if I get tagged

[BWSmith]

First time I have seen that. Funny how he got so many pics of it actually biting him

[LdyDrgn]

LOL if I remember correctly, he enticed it to bite him using a mouse then ALLOWED it to chew extensively on his arm. All in the name of research, of course!

[Feed'em All]

hehe, Is the debate I tried to post! are rear fanged hots? I guess the bottom line would be "depends on which one..."
Just my opinion, Martin.

[Gregg M]

Hognosed snakes are not venomous...... The bigger rear fangs are used to pop holes in its prey....... In the wild they eat mostly frogs....... And we all know what frogs do when the feel threatend...... They blow them selves up to appear bigger than they are....... The hognose uses the fangs to punture the frog so it can swallow it....... And here is some food for thought...... Even human salyva has an LD50......

[eyespy]

Well, they do have Duvernoy's gland, and are classed as a "mild" hot because of that. So are garter snakes, for that matter.

I think the scientists are even still debating this one, mild venom or caustic saliva? Which ever way it finally goes, the results are still going to be some folks reacting to it and most not.