Sticky Feet - gecko after mbd

Sylphie · 06-29-16, 07:38 AM

Some pics I taked from a first handling session with Sticky Feet. He's 2 years old, we adopted him around 3 weeks ago drom a great breeder, Lazy Dragon. He was one of the few cresties that got mbd during incubating period, and as I myself am having "curly" spine I decided that gecko with similiar back would be a perfect match, haha!

SWDK · 06-29-16, 11:03 AM

Looks good. Can't even tell it has/had any type of issues from the MBD. Glad you were able to give it a good home. I like the name as well

Sylphie · 06-29-16, 11:25 AM

Thank you! He's having a little "bump" to the right on the part of his spine, but it's not very visible

**Minkness** · 06-29-16, 04:17 PM

MBD isn't something that happens while incubation. It's what happens when a reptile is lacking in calcium and the vitamins that assist in absorbing it. If he hatched with deformity it is either genetic and shouldn't be bred, or that his temps got too low for too long causing the embryo to not develop properly.

Still, he is a good looking boy! Congrats =)

Sylphie · 06-30-16, 01:30 AM

Mink, thank you! And from what breeder told me I understand that the eggs were having a big lacks in calcium, and although the babies hatched from them they were not having anough calcium and were already having something like mbg (some weird spines, some really bad tails etc.). If I'll be able I'll find the article that breeder wrote about the whole story

**Andy_G** · 06-30-16, 02:23 PM

Nice gecko sylphie! I have a female that I rescued from a pet store as an adult with an odd bump right at the base of her tail so she will never breed. It was caused by MBD and floppy tail in conjunction with each other and the lines that specific pet store unfortunately usually has issues like that.

Mink is right, MBD does not occur in the egg. Babies can be genetically predisposed to it if the parents have it, or kinks/deformities can occur for many reasons during incubation (usually temp spikes, NOT lows

), but not MBD related. It can not form in the egg to my knowledge and it takes a while to develop accompanied by a diet insufficient in the proper nutrients.

Too low of a temp with these guys will not normally cause problems since they prefer a temperate environment and should be incubated in the 70's, nor does it normally cause issues in other species aside from longer incubation times. Heat is the one to be wary of.

Sylphie · 06-30-16, 03:20 PM

I found the article that breeder wrote about that "mbd". Unfortunately it's in Polish, so I'll translate the most important parts:

"Today I want to write about some of our latest sad experiences about weird "mbd". That MBD don't have it's start in bad feeding, but in health problems of the breeding females. The babies that hatched were having issues from the start, or after few days. I called it "inbreed mbd", but thats just my name.

Everything starts with helath problems of the breeding females. Some of them were having calcium issues, but not only this, in our case the vet can't said what exactly was wrong with our females. It was similiar to calcium drop, but with some additional symptopms. Females after that "disease" were really weak, lost appetite (we needed to force feed some of them) and had a problems with laying the eggs. Some of the eggs were lacking in calcium too. Around 40-60% of the babies did not have enough strength to hatch, and the ones that hatched developed symptoms soon. It was having nothing to do with diet, some of the babies after 2-3 days looked a lot worse than after hatching. Some of the symptopms: swollen and deformed joints and legs, some of the babies couldn't move. In the addition lack of the appetite, deviation of the jaw, but no deformed tails. Most of these babies had full calcium sacks! "
Author: Lazy Dragon

There was more, but that's the most important part imo

It's really great breeder so I don't believe in "bad diet" issues in her facility, as she loves all of her cresties and cares for them a lot.

**Andy_G** · 06-30-16, 03:29 PM

Ah! To me the breeder is making it sound like it's a genetic issue and not really much to do with an incubation issue. I would tend to agree that genetics plays a very large role in the disease. Good read!

I've seen quite a few crested geckos that were fed dusted crickets for the duration of their lives and they had no issues...even though they "should" have.

Sylphie · 07-01-16, 12:10 AM

Yeah, I just remembered it wrong, haha!

Sylphie · 11-02-16, 01:43 PM

Well, he's one of our "wild" reptiles that doesn't tolerate handling very good... but I really like this little guy! He certainly prefers roaches over his crestie food, hates our hands and is lovely banana&chocolate color in fire up.

Here in his misfired state

Sylphie · 03-08-17, 07:47 AM

Got Sticky finally fired up! Adopted him in summer 2016, and he's always in fire down, even in night. Now at around 2,5 years old he's 40grams, so nice, "average" guy.

Cyclops · 03-20-17, 10:21 AM

Looks awesome fired up!