New addition : 2015 Super granite checkered garter

Albert Clark · 04-30-15, 12:39 PM

One of my 2014 0.1 pastel checkered garters 66% het for granite checkered produced this scrub on 4-24-15. Left in a enclosure with her father for shedding issue they bred and produced this guy! Mom is pictured here. She is only 10 months old!

She produced two scrubs but only this guy survived. The other was a pastel.

**Minkness** · 04-30-15, 01:43 PM

Woah...total WANT!

Albert Clark · 04-30-15, 02:07 PM

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Woah...total WANT!

Thanks Mink! This guy is a hold back for sure.

Pogie · 04-30-15, 02:02 PM

Love the markings on that first pic.

Albert Clark · 04-30-15, 02:08 PM

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Love the markings on that first pic.

Thanks Pogie!

**Minkness** · 04-30-15, 02:14 PM

Keep me informed on your super granites then! I know I want a garter in my collection some day and was thinking about the neon blue red sided but that super granite is amaaaaazing.

Albert Clark · 04-30-15, 02:50 PM

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Keep me informed on your super granites then! I know I want a garter in my collection some day and was thinking about the neon blue red sided but that super granite is amaaaaazing.

Cool, I will keep you posted on the project I will have for this guy. THANKS.

Hit me with a pm when you can......

Obsidian_Dragon · 05-04-15, 02:01 PM

Is it an actual super (hom) pastel, or just het, with granite?

Just being nosy, as I have a het pastel and was wondering if anyone really got far crossing the two.

Albert Clark · 05-04-15, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Obsidian_Dragon

Is it an actual super (hom) pastel, or just het, with granite?

Just being nosy, as I have a het pastel and was wondering if anyone really got far crossing the two.

The mother of this visual granite baby's mother is pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered. Sired by her father who is a visual pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered. Original pair of pastel checkereds I purchased from Jeff Benfer as pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered.

Jeff Benfer actually was the original breeder of the granite checkered x pastel checkered pairing.

**Aaron_S** · 05-06-15, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

The mother of this visual granite baby's mother is pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered. Sired by her father who is a visual pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered. Original pair of pastel checkereds I purchased from Jeff Benfer as pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered.

Jeff Benfer actually was the original breeder of the granite checkered x pastel checkered pairing.

So let me understand this correctly.

The mother of this one you just had (congrats) is a pastel 66% het granite.

The father of this baby is also the father of the mother? Who also happens to be a pastel 66% het for granite?

If this is the case what was the original pairing to get the mother? I ask because as it stands to get the fathers offspring to be 66% the father would have to been bred to a 100% het female. And if the father produced a granite he would be considered 100% and thus the mother would be 50% and not 66%.

Now if the father was bred to a "normal" or another snake not carrying the granite gene then the babies would all be 33% het for granite and not 66%.

The good news in either case if this mother produced a granite then the odds were really in your favour

Albert Clark · 05-06-15, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So let me understand this correctly.

The mother of this one you just had (congrats) is a pastel 66% het granite.

The father of this baby is also the father of the mother? Who also happens to be a pastel 66% het for granite?

If this is the case what was the original pairing to get the mother? I ask because as it stands to get the fathers offspring to be 66% the father would have to been bred to a 100% het female. And if the father produced a granite he would be considered 100% and thus the mother would be 50% and not 66%.

Now if the father was bred to a "normal" or another snake not carrying the granite gene then the babies would all be 33% het for granite and not 66%
The good news in either case if this mother produced a granite then the odds were really in your favour

The original pair were produced in the Jeff Benfer project of pastel checkered x granite checkered. They are both pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered. This pair have only been bred to each other and the daughter from the original pair bred to her father and produced this granite checkered female hence super granite. There was another scrub that was stillborn but had the phenotype of a pastel checkered. No other bloodline in this pairing nor of the parents of the female that produced the granite. So the 33% is not a possibility.
Thanks for your take on it.

**Aaron_S** · 05-06-15, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

The original pair were produced in the Jeff Benfer project of pastel checkered x granite checkered. They are both pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered. This pair have only been bred to each other and the daughter from the original pair bred to her father and produced this granite checkered female hence super granite. There was another scrub that was stillborn but had the phenotype of a pastel checkered. No other bloodline in this pairing nor of the parents of the female that produced the granite. So the 33% is not a possibility.
Thanks for your take on it.

I think I still may be confused.

But whatever, my questions don't matter. What matters is yo ugot a cool looking baby.

jossh27 · 05-05-15, 07:23 PM

What makes it a "super" granite checkered? In no way am i intending on sounding like a **** im just curious to how snakes get that title

It is a very awesome looking snake by the way! i would love to have it

ARCH3R · 05-05-15, 07:31 PM

Super is the same for all snake breeding. I won't pretend to know what granite is in garters so for arguments sake I'll assume it's recessive. By line breeding which he said he did he's bringing in two recessive parents which would generally show more distinct patterning than a het and recessive, not too mention the higher percentage of granites.

Albert Clark · 05-05-15, 09:06 PM

I believe it's more of the pairing of pastel checkered 66% het for granite checkered to the same genetics in both parents and having the offspring present as a visual of the hidden gene makes him a super. That is a imo. I certainly may stand corrected but that is what I thought. I will post some updated pics tomorrow to show his growth and look now.