Spread the word

[JWFugle]

I dont know much about this whole thing but i know its not good. lets get this around and get peoples support and help.

i fight for my right to carry, best believe ill fight for my right to own my reptiles.


FWS to Re-open Public Comment on Boas and Pythons! | United States Herpetoculture Alliance

[jpsteele80]

Effing kidding me, when will they ever stop, the lacy act has not done one thing to solve the problem in the everglades nor will it ever, just a bunch of idiots wanting to take more rights away because they don't like snakes, then it will be smaller snakes, then all reptiles in general, if you take away people's rights to own one kind of animal then you have to take away rights to own any animal

[Sublimeballs]

Good god, they're at it again. They're already in court with usark, you'd think they'd back off atleast until the law suite is over. I'm putting this on Facebook retic nation page. This needs to stop, I'd be all for enforcing regulations for dangerous animals(giant constrictors, hots, large lizards) but don't ban them.

[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

Good god, they're at it again. They're already in court with usark, you'd think they'd back off atleast until the law suite is over. I'm putting this on Facebook retic nation page. This needs to stop, I'd be all for enforcing regulations for dangerous animals(giant constrictors, hots, large lizards) but don't ban them.

Then you're part of the problem.

One automobile is more dangerous than all the snakes in the USA put together.

BAN ALL AUTOMOBILES.

Or grasp reality.

[snakekid6996]

Originally Posted by DrummingT

Then you're part of the problem.

One automobile is more dangerous than all the snakes in the USA put together.

BAN ALL AUTOMOBILES.

Or grasp reality.

So are You saying that we should not have regulations on dangerous reptiles?

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by DrummingT

Then you're part of the problem.

No, he's not. A licensing system for owners would be ideal unfortunately it's not exactly realistic. The best thing to do would be for the hobby to police itself and while many people do this, many don't as they just see dollar signs and don't care about the well being of the animal or the potential ramifications that come about from poor-keeping.

Originally Posted by snakekid6996

So are You saying that we should not have regulations on dangerous reptiles?

See above.

Education and breeders self-policing is ultimately the best policy but that seldom happens it seems.

[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by snakekid6996

So are You saying that we should not have regulations on dangerous reptiles?

I'm absolutely saying that.

I think you're completely GOOSE STEPPING FASCIST crazy if you don't agree with me enthusiastically.

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"The incidents left 27 people injured, police say — seven of them in the most recent hit-and-run on Thursday."

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"drove on a wild 45-minute ride on the East Side, hitting at least 17 pedestrians and critically injuring at least two of them"

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[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by DrummingT

Then you're part of the problem.

One automobile is more dangerous than all the snakes in the USA put together.

BAN ALL AUTOMOBILES.

Or grasp reality.

Ummm.....You do realize I said I'm FOR regulating dangerous reptiles, and AGINST banning them right. I agree, cars are very dangerous, that's why the operations of a vehicle is regulated. You have to have a license to operate one and additional licenses for larger (more dangerous) vehicles.

A 12 year old boy, with parents that know nothing of reptiles and agreed to let him get a snake, shouldn't be able to purchase a giant or a hot. Nor should these animals be housed in improper caging in a house with small kids(or ever). Do you not agree?

[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

Ummm.....You do realize I said I'm FOR regulating dangerous reptiles, and AGINST banning them right. I agree, cars are very dangerous, that's why the operations of a vehicle is regulated. You have to have a license to operate one and additional licenses for larger (more dangerous) vehicles.

A 12 year old boy, with parents that know nothing of reptiles and agreed to let him get a snake, shouldn't be able to purchase a giant or a hot. Nor should these animals be housed in improper caging in a house with small kids(or ever). Do you not agree?

I'm 100% opposed to your entire point of view.

Anyone has the RIGHT to enter a liquor store and buy several times more hard liquor than is needed to drink themselves to death in one sitting. Some college "kids" have done this on campus.

DEATH is part of LIFE.

You get only one life to live. Don't let anyone else infringe on your right to live it as you choose.

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by DrummingT

You get only one life to live. Don't let anyone else infringe on your right to live it as you choose.

Here's the problem with this sort of blanket statement. What happens when your "rights" infringe upon my right to live? Is not my right to live at all more important than your desire to own a firearm, drive a car, keep a rattlesnake or lion? While I'm not saying which way is right or wrong what I am saying is that a civil discussion about these issues and many others resulting in a reasonable compromise wouldn't be a bad idea. But politicians as of late are too petty and obsessed with playing childish games to do anything of the sort. This would be a non-issue if people were responsible but unfortunately most people are idiots resulting in people in power sticking their noses in where they have no business.

Also, maybe look up fascism before throwing it around. Authoritarian is the word you're looking for.

[dave himself]

I really feel for you guys across the pond, I sometimes forget how lucky I am being able to enjoy our snakes with no pressure from anyone

[JWFugle]

i was gonna post this else where on the forum too but didnt want to spam it either. ive been sharing it on gun pages and other fb pages who know how hard it is to fight for our rights. i suggest you guys do the same. lets make some noise about this.

[Akuma223]

It says its open to comment, how do I comment?

[millertime89]

From a good friend of mine:

Before anyone loses their **** over all these posts that are being shared from Wyatt and the herp alliance, I talked to Phil Goss today about this and this is what he wrote me............

"An announcement was again posted in the Federal Register (Regulatory or Unified Agenda) a couple weeks ago. It is below. Very similar language has been posted several times since the four species were listed in 2012. It means that FWS has plans to finalize the rule. That could mean no additional species are added, some will be added, or all of them. FWS could list additional species at any time but they have not. This is probably due to pressure form USARK and the lawsuit. If USARK had not been around, there would most likely already be 9 species (or more) listed.


Again, this means that FWS plans to make a final determination. It may or may not happen. It is serious but it is the same threat that has been there since 2012 when the original four were listed. They have been posting language similar to below for over two years and it has not happened yet. If that doesn't answer your question, shoot more at me."

DOI/FWS

RIN: 1018-AV68

Publication ID: Spring 2014

Title: Injurious Wildlife Evaluation; Constrictor Species From Python, Boa, and Eunectes Genera

Abstract: We are making a final determination on the listing of five species of large constrictor snakes as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act: Reticulated python, DeSchauensee's anaconda, green anaconda, Beni anaconda, and boa constrictor.

[Sublimeballs]

Great to hear Kyle. I wish there were more news on the usark lawsuite.