I found a keeper

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I had a pretty bizarre night last night. I ended up getting tired at around 10 so I went to bed. That's really early for me (I'm a night owl). I ended up waking up at 2:30 am with a horrible headache and sat on my computer.

I saw Magenta climbing around so I took her out and we sat for 4 hours watching YouTube videos. She just curled around my wrist and looking at me the whole time. She didn't move around, just sat on my stomach and relaxed.

I know that snakes aren't "cuddle" pets that love you, but that was seriously one of my sweetest pet moments. Like, it was calming and we were both relaxed. She's a really active snake but she just sat with me all night, calmly. I'm happy I found a snake with the perfect temper for me.

I just had to share that.

[smy_749]

4 Hours is a long time to be out of the proper conditions. I don't advise it especially at 2:30 am, I and some others have lost reptiles by falling asleep (leopard gecko when I was 9)

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by smy_749

4 Hours is a long time to be out of the proper conditions. I don't advise it especially at 2:30 am, I and some others have lost reptiles by falling asleep (leopard gecko when I was 9)

Four hours really isn't that long. Especially when you actually look at the temperatures from their natural habitat. Do you really think it's 85°f 24/7/365? People really need to apply a little more thought when doling out "standard" advice.

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Four hours really isn't that long. Especially when you actually look at the temperatures from their natural habitat. Do you really think it's 85°f 24/7/365? People really need to apply a little more thought when doling out "standard" advice.

Did you read the part where I said you know your situation better than I do? Because we don't know the temps in her home, the temps he was sitting in, etc.

No I don't think its 85 degrees year round 24/7/365. But if you'd care to tell me how you know what temps it is in her house before advising her that 4 hours is not so long, I'm curious. If you'd care to tell me how you know the humidity levels in her house, I'm also curious. And if you'd care to tell me how slow seasonal change over time is the same as pulling it out in an instant to different temps/humidity is the same situation, ...you get the point. FR talked about how he had monitors that he put outside in the winter, they died. He also talked about how he had the same species kept outside all year round, same winter temps, and they did fine.

People really need to apply a little more manners when they advise those trying to help. I defended you on your last thread when you got all PMS, but you don't have to be debby downer on every thread.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Did you read the part where I said you know your situation better than I do? Because we don't know the temps in her home, the temps he was sitting in, etc.

No I don't think its 85 degrees year round 24/7/365. But if you'd care to tell me how you know what temps it is in her house before advising her that 4 hours is not so long, I'm curious. If you'd care to tell me how you know the humidity levels in her house, I'm also curious. And if you'd care to tell me how slow seasonal change over time is the same as pulling it out in an instant to different temps/humidity is the same situation, ...you get the point. FR talked about how he had monitors that he put outside in the winter, they died. He also talked about how he had the same species kept outside all year round, same winter temps, and they did fine.

People really need to apply a little more manners when they advise those trying to help. I defended you on your last thread when you got all PMS, but you don't have to be debby downer on every thread.

Wow! My hero! Cut the crap. I didn't need defended as I was the one with proper information.

Now its June, I highly doubt her house is under 60°f but regardless did you forget that humans a low grade heat source? With the snakes body directly against a heat source that was putting out a constant 90°f what is the real risk?

My original comment wasn't necessarily directed at you but more at your mentality. I am tired if people just repeating rote without actually engaging there mind. Especially when they are criticizing someone for no real reason.

Finally when I started typing my post the last post was the one I quoted.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Wow! My hero! Cut the crap. I didn't need defended as I was the one with proper information.

Now its June, I highly doubt her house is under 60°f but regardless did you forget that humans a low grade heat source? With the snakes body directly against a heat source that was putting out a constant 90°f what is the real risk?

My original comment wasn't necessarily directed at you but more at your mentality. I am tired if people just repeating rote without actually engaging there mind. Especially when they are criticizing someone for no real reason.

Finally when I started typing my post the last post was the one I quoted.

Just to add on this, when I read my skin temps with the heat guns they read 92F on both heat guns. Our bodies are in a way like belly heat for the snake.

EDIT: my hands are 95, the rest of my body is 92

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by slowhite03

I'm all for spoiling pets and what not but people also need to realize that the wild is not so peachy. Our little guys will drink water from a toilet if they had to so when people say they need to change there water every day or every other day is fine but not necessary. So if they are out of there comfort zone for a couple hours I really don't see the big deal. He knows his pets better than anybody on the forum. So if he wants to hold his snake for a couple hours so be it.

Theres a difference between what is tolerable/survivable, and what is ideal. If you'd like to provide minimal conditions, to see how hardy your reptiles truly are, than thats fine. If you'd like to provide ideal conditions for good health, than that involves changing the water, disinfecting the bowl, etc. Snakes in the wild don't have 1 water dish the size of a small puddle to choose from.



"Wow! My hero! Cut the crap. I didn't need defended as I was the one with proper information.
I wasn't defending you being right or wrong. (my info was fine, I just thought he meant dubia and not every species, which he did, and you on the other hand, with your typical PMS attitude, decided to be completely useless and not tell us what was 'wrong' from the beginning because your smarter than everyone here and nobody is supposed to learn or ask questions on public forums) I was defending the fact that your acting like a 12 year old who thinks he knows everything and has to keep it a secret...I thought you were having a bad day , but it seems for you everyday is a bad day unfortunately, or you just don't know how to interact with human beings.

Now its June, I highly doubt her house is under 60°f but regardless did you forget that humans a low grade heat source?Have you heard of an air conditioner? Maybe her house is cool like mine, and I didn't know she was from florida, last week it was in the 50's and rainy where I'm at. With the snakes body directly against a heat source that was putting out a constant 90°f what is the real risk?

My original comment wasn't necessarily directed at you but more at your mentality. I am tired if people just repeating rote without actually engaging there mind. Especially when they are criticizing someone for no real reason.

Finally when I started typing my post the last post was the one I quoted."

I didn't 'criticize' her. I thought my initial comment was quite polite, and said that she knows herself better than I do. Just saying it as a precaution.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Theres a difference between what is tolerable/survivable, and what is ideal. If you'd like to provide minimal conditions, to see how hardy your reptiles truly are, than thats fine. If you'd like to provide ideal conditions for good health, than that involves changing the water, disinfecting the bowl, etc. Snakes in the wild don't have 1 water dish the size of a small puddle to choose from.



"Wow! My hero! Cut the crap. I didn't need defended as I was the one with proper information.
I wasn't defending you being right or wrong. (my info was fine, I just thought he meant dubia and not every species, which he did, and you on the other hand, with your typical PMS attitude, decided to be completely useless and not tell us what was 'wrong' from the beginning because your smarter than everyone here and nobody is supposed to learn or ask questions on public forums) I was defending the fact that your acting like a 12 year old who thinks he knows everything and has to keep it a secret...I thought you were having a bad day , but it seems for you everyday is a bad day unfortunately, or you just don't know how to interact with human beings.

Now its June, I highly doubt her house is under 60°f but regardless did you forget that humans a low grade heat source?Have you heard of an air conditioner? Maybe her house is cool like mine, and I didn't know she was from florida, last week it was in the 50's and rainy where I'm at. With the snakes body directly against a heat source that was putting out a constant 90°f what is the real risk?

My original comment wasn't necessarily directed at you but more at your mentality. I am tired if people just repeating rote without actually engaging there mind. Especially when they are criticizing someone for no real reason.

Finally when I started typing my post the last post was the one I quoted."

I didn't 'criticize' her. I thought my initial comment was quite polite, and said that she knows herself better than I do. Just saying it as a precaution.

Pull your head out of that dark smelly place and look at your original post. You said nothing about her knowing herself better than you do.

Originally Posted by smy_749

4 Hours is a long time to be out of the proper conditions. I don't advise it especially at 2:30 am, I and some others have lost reptiles by falling asleep (leopard gecko when I was 9)

You just gave bad information.......again. You sure seem new to all of this but you comment on every thread and you don't always give good info. As a matter of fact moat of what you give is just a regurge with no experience.

Actually you said I was right.....

Originally Posted by smy_749

Korbin is right, for some reason I had only blaptica dubia in mind, and just realized after he typed this that you didn't specify which type of roach. Everything I wrote was concerning what I found worked with me regarding blaptica, to clarify now.

Now I'm personally couldn't care less if you think I'm PMSing or not but I'm sure that most women don't find you throwing that phrase around funny at all. I've only been here for two years and I've seen dozens of people like you come and go and I'm really not going to lose sleep over what you think.

I'm a hard person because I see way too many people come on here and ask for help just to refuse to acknowledge their mistakes and then kill their animal. Most experienced keepers could spend all day correcting the misinformation that is posted on forums but it really doesn't help to spoon feed. If Mikoh would have punched dubia into the sites search engine he could have had hours of reading (clarification I don't mind discussing the best ways to do things as that is where new ideas and techniques come from) and could've checked the facts for himself. In hindsight what I should've done is not corrected you and just waited for someone to follow your husbandry advice and apply it to Turkish roaches. I would have got a real chuckle out of them leaving the lid off.

@op
I like you and feel you are doing your best. Keep up the good work and ignore the fools.

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

@op
I like you and feel you are doing your best. Keep up the good work and ignore the fools.

Thank you. You have no idea how much that means to me

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

If Mikoh would have punched dubia into the sites search engine he could have had hours of reading (clarification I don't mind discussing the best ways to do things as that is where new ideas and techniques come from) and could've checked the facts for himself. In hindsight what I should've done is not corrected you and just waited for someone to follow your husbandry advice and apply it to Turkish roaches. I would have got a real chuckle out of them leaving the lid off.

Why are you bringing me into this? I did punch dubia into the sites and came here to ask more specific questions. And not all articles on the internet are accurate so I came here to talk with people in a more direct way where I don't just read things, I get to ask questions and have them answered. If you call this spoon feeding then I guess you aren't a very talkative person.

[sweatshirt]

I have insomnia... I doubt I would have fallen asleep. That's why I said I can't believe I fell asleep.

But I do understand what you're saying.. I'll be more responsible next time.

Smy I'm a fan of yours and I hope this doesn't wither your opinion on me.

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by sweatshirt

I have insomnia... I doubt I would have fallen asleep. That's why I said I can't believe I fell asleep.

But I do understand what you're saying.. I'll be more responsible next time.

You know yourself better than I do, just saying to be careful. I am from the "don't handle your snakes much" crowd, so my opinion is biased as well :P

Anyways, glad you are happy with your new addition.

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Yeah.. I know... but it was a nice experience nonetheless.

And yeah... my house is a constant 77-78 because I get cold way too easily >.> Will that hurt my snake in any way? Should it be cooler?

[slowhite03]

I'm all for spoiling pets and what not but people also need to realize that the wild is not so peachy. Our little guys will drink water from a toilet if they had to so when people say they need to change there water every day or every other day is fine but not necessary. So if they are out of there comfort zone for a couple hours I really don't see the big deal. He knows his pets better than anybody on the forum. So if he wants to hold his snake for a couple hours so be it.

[sweatshirt]

Originally Posted by slowhite03

I'm all for spoiling pets and what not but people also need to realize that the wild is not so peachy. Our little guys will drink water from a toilet if they had to so when people say they need to change there water every day or every other day is fine but not necessary. So if they are out of there comfort zone for a couple hours I really don't see the big deal. He knows his pets better than anybody on the forum. So if he wants to hold his snake for a couple hours so be it.

Thanks, you're really kind... I just want you guys to know that I wasn't trying to start drama with this post. I genuinely try to take all the advice I'm given here. I don't want my snake to suffer because of me or something. And I'm a girl

I think it was a good experience for me and Magenta. I have the warmest hands ever so she was probably comfortable curled up in them while I browsed playthroughs.

Again, I didn't mean to start drama or anything. I'm phobic of drama. Unfortunately for me I'm going back to public school next year for 10th grade (personal choice, I need to start legitimately preparing for college) after 4 years of home-schooling. I have no idea how I'll deal. High school... *shudder* at least no dreaded freshie year for me.

I hope we're all cool and I hope I didn't make any enemies by posting this.