2016 Albino Checkered..

Albert Clark · 04-12-16, 08:22 AM

I went into my gravid albino checkered garter tub and found her actively in labor with about 25 hatchlings already delivered. Closed the tub back up and came back 30 minutes later to 36 albino checkered total count. Three super albino checkered included. You can see one of the supers at 8:00 in the first pic.

Albert Clark · 04-12-16, 09:30 AM

The little guy in the middle was stuck in his amniotic membrane and almost didn't make it until i moved him to a different tub. In the birthing tub he was under the carefresh litter and seemed to be having a hard time breaking through the membrane. You can see in the pic that he is on his way out. He is a bit smaller than his littermates.

Sylphie · 04-12-16, 11:20 AM

Wow, congatulations!

They looks sooo cute, and I'm glad that the smaller guy did make it

Tiny Boidae · 04-12-16, 11:52 AM

Oh they are just precious. You'll have to keep us up to date on them!

But 36 babies sounds like a large clutch... Were there any slugs?

**EL Ziggy** · 04-12-16, 01:24 PM

That's awesome AL! Another job well done.

Kokorobosoi · 04-12-16, 01:44 PM

Wahoooo!!!! They are sooo cute!!!! Well done!

Albert Clark · 04-12-16, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylphie

Wow, congatulations!

They looks sooo cute, and I'm glad that the smaller guy did make it

Thank you Sylph. He would not have made it if I didn't look close enough to pick him out of the litter. I then lifted him up and looked closer and he wasn't moving. I then put him in the new tub and saw movement.

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Originally Posted by Tiny Boidae

Oh they are just precious. You'll have to keep us up to date on them!

But 36 babies sounds like a large clutch... Were there any slugs?

Thanks TB! I will. No slugs , no deaths, and no deformities! The mother is a monster garter and had 24 babies two years ago.

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Originally Posted by EL Ziggy

That's awesome AL! Another job well done.

Thanks EL! I been checking her tub every day for the past week. She just blew up so much over the past 3 weeks looking like,she was going to explode! Lol.

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Originally Posted by Kokorobosoi

Wahoooo!!!! They are sooo cute!!!! Well done!

Hey, thanks Koko! I can't believe these supers. I will be holding back a pair for my albino granite checkered project. Still waiting to hear from Steven Bol about the blue puget. I did take your advice. Haha.

bigsnakegirl785 · 04-12-16, 03:42 PM

Gorgeous babies, and quite the litter! Hopefully that other females drops you some visual granites. :P

Albert Clark · 04-12-16, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsnakegirl785

Gorgeous babies, and quite the litter! Hopefully that other females drops you some visual granites. :P

Thanks bsg, just what I am hoping for. She should drop soon too. You will be the first to know. I got a feeling she will come through. Haha.

SWDK · 04-12-16, 05:31 PM

Very nice looking clutch you've got there. Just a quick question though. What makes a super albino vs a normal albino. I see it looks much lighter, but I don't know much about them so please excuse my ignorance. Thanks

Albert Clark · 04-12-16, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SWDK

Very nice looking clutch you've got there. Just a quick question though. What makes a super albino vs a normal albino. I see it looks much lighter, but I don't know much about them so please excuse my ignorance. Thanks

Thank you SW! This is not ignorance really and no need to be excused. Very good question that deserves a good answer. Albino being a recessive trait when bred to another recessive that has the same homozygous (visual) form will produce that trait visually. Or that recessive trait will be expressed. In some of the offspring there will be a higher blushing in the coloration and or patterning. This will make the animal look lighter and sometimes the markings however reduced can appear more vivid in places on the animal.

Albert Clark · 04-12-16, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Thank you SW! This is not ignorance really and no need to be excused. Very good question that deserves a good answer. Albino being a recessive trait when bred to another recessive that has the same homozygous (visual) form will produce that trait visually. Or that recessive trait will be expressed. In some of the offspring there will be a higher blushing in the coloration and or patterning. This will make the animal look lighter and sometimes the markings however reduced can appear more vivid in places on the animal.

Sorry SW , I got this explanation wrong about the super form as it relates to these garters. It's the codominant gene not the recessive that will get you to the super form when bred to the same. So with garters it would be the pastel to pastel gene giving the " super pastel" which can look like a brighter version almost yellowish/ white colored snake that looks different from the parent pastel form. None of these pictured checkereds is really a super. There is a color mutation at play with the lighter albinos but not the super at all. No codom in these guys , only recessive X recessive. Hope that makes it a little clearer.

SWDK · 04-13-16, 06:51 AM

Thanks Albert. Makes more sense now. I appreciat the explanation.

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Thank you SW! This is not ignorance really and no need to be excused. Very good question that deserves a good answer. Albino being a recessive trait when bred to another recessive that has the same homozygous (visual) form will produce that trait visually. Or that recessive trait will be expressed. In some of the offspring there will be a higher blushing in the coloration and or patterning. This will make the animal look lighter and sometimes the markings however reduced can appear more vivid in places on the animal.

Albert Clark · 04-13-16, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SWDK

Thanks Albert. Makes more sense now. I appreciat the explanation.

Good. Sorry for the mix up. Now i did want to show you a example in this other clutch that i had on 4- 9- 16 with a pair of pastel checkered het for granite checkered garters. The parents are pastel checkered 100% het for granite checkered. They had a 3 hatchling litter with 2 regular pastels being born and one albino/ white hatchling that appears to be a super pastel or a albino pastel that could be ruled a super. In picture #1 the hatchling on top came from pastel checkered parents. The hatchling in picture #1 on the bottom came from two albino checkered parents. The hatchling in picture #2 is the sibling to the hatchling in picture #1 (bottom). Codom pastel vs. recessive albino.

Kokorobosoi · 04-12-16, 05:45 PM

I'm glad you took that advice!! I can't wait to see what comes out of it!!

Very nice clutch!!