identify my corn snake

ndheep · 08-12-12, 03:37 AM

Please can someone tell me what morph of corn snake this is. I thought it might be an albino. thx for any help

Brent

exwizard · 08-12-12, 07:13 AM

Looks like a Candy Cane to me

ashleynicole · 08-12-12, 06:23 PM

Yes it is albino, meaning it lacks any black pigment and they eyes are red. However there are a lot of different names for many different albino morphs. I believe yours can be called either a candy cane or creamsicle, but I am by no means an expert on these morphs.

Jlassiter · 08-12-12, 08:50 PM

Looks like candy cane. Definitely amelanistic (albino).
A creamsicle is an emoryi ratsnake x corn snake hybrid.
This one does not look like a creamsicle......

ndheep · 08-13-12, 10:33 AM

Thx. I was kinda thinking it was a candycane

Aleks · 08-21-12, 01:40 PM

Amel! the spot between the colors shoes that its not a candy cane

exwizard · 08-21-12, 02:35 PM

http://www.ssnakess.com/gallery/data...um/Schatzi.jpg
This is an Amel, not the OP pic. Big difference.

exwizard · 08-25-12, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by exwizard

http://www.ssnakess.com/gallery/data...um/Schatzi.jpg
This is an Amel, not the OP pic. Big difference.

Ashley check this link out. This Amel is mine and she is a lot more colorful than the snake in question here. Compared to my Amel, this snake looks more like a Candy Cane.

ashleynicole · 08-26-12, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by exwizard

Ashley check this link out. This Amel is mine and she is a lot more colorful than the snake in question here. Compared to my Amel, this snake looks more like a Candy Cane.

It could be a candy cane, Like I said I am not an expert but I have read a lot about it since I am currently planning on breeding my corns in a year or two. I am also collecting different morphs so I have a variety of breeding options. I want to get a license to breed and sell before I start so that's why i am researching as much as possible now.

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Originally Posted by Donnie

I did not word my answer very well at all (it was late for me, I should have been in bed), what I should of said was

This is not entirely correct. They all contain the amel trait and candycane is a selectively bred amel so right in this case to be called amel, a snow is a combination of amel and anery and a creamsicle is a hybrid of an amel corn and a great plains rat snake. If you breed amel and amel together all you get are amels.

No worries, I get what your saying, I think your saying pretty much the same thing. They are all amelanistic morphs or hybrids in the case of the creamsicle.

Snakefood · 10-04-12, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by exwizard

http://www.ssnakess.com/gallery/data...um/Schatzi.jpg
This is an Amel, not the OP pic. Big difference.

Hey Ex,

Haven't talked snakes in a while, eh??

this baby in question definately looks to be a typical Amel, it looks different from yours because Schatzi is an adult and this little one is a hatchling.

if I were to go grab a pic of my hatchling Amels, they would look very similar to the one posted.

Donnie · 08-21-12, 03:28 PM

It would be good to see some better pics of this snake as it is hard to tell exactly from these pics. To me the top pic does look a bit like some candycanes but the bottom pic looks like a normal amel.
Ndheep have you got any better pics preferably in sunlight?

ashleynicole · 08-25-12, 04:16 PM

don't forget, the colors change and get darker as the grow

Amelanistic simply means without melanin. (another name for albino)
many morphs are amelanistic including candy cane, snow, creamsicle

Anerythristic means without the red pigmintation

, If you breed an amelanistic corn with a amelanistic you can get get some snow corns lacking both the red and black pigmentation.

Donnie · 08-25-12, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ashleynicole

don't forget, the colors change and get darker as the grow

Amelanistic simply means without melanin. (another name for albino)
many morphs are amelanistic including candy cane, snow, creamsicle

Anerythristic means without the red pigmintation

, If you breed an amelanistic corn with a amelanistic you can get get some snow corns lacking both the red and black pigmentation.

This is not correct. Candycane is a selectively bred amel so right in this case but a snow is amel and anery and a creamsicle is a hybrid of an amel corn and a great plains rat snake. If you breed amel and amel together all you get are amels.

ashleynicole · 08-25-12, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Donnie

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashleynicole

don't forget, the colors change and get darker as the grow

Amelanistic simply means without melanin. (another name for albino)
many morphs are amelanistic including candy cane, snow, creamsicle

Anerythristic means without the red pigmintation

, If you breed an amelanistic corn with a amelanistic you can get get some snow corns lacking both the red and black pigmentation.

This is not correct. Candycane is a selectively bred amel so right in this case but a snow is amel and anery and a creamsicle is a hybrid of an amel corn and a great plains rat snake. If you breed amel and amel together all you get are amels.

Excuse me but it is correct.

"amel" is the term used for amelanistic which is without melanin, lacking the red pigmintation. A creamsicle is a type of amelanistic snake. wheather it is a hyrbrid of a rat and a corn snake is not relevant to the the presence or abscense of melanin in the pigmintation.

There are many morphs of amelanistic snakes. My sunglow motley is amelanistic. snows are amelanistic, creamsicles are amelanistic. candy canes are amelanisitic. They all lack melanin, the black pigmintation.

a snow is lacking both red and black pigmintation. That's why I said if you breed an amelanistic and an anery corn you can get snow corns. You will get some amel, some anery, and some snow.

And yes, colors do change and get bright/darker as the snakes grow. It won't change what pigmintation they have, but my okeetee got brighter and brighter red as he grew and my sunglow has gotten deeper orange pigmintation as she has grown as well.

From cornsnake.net
https://www.cornsnake.net/snakes-for...category_id=82

"The amel mutation is elemental in many compound cornsnake morphs, and since many of the other color and pattern mutations can alter the general coloration of amel corns, the one all Amel types of corns have in common is their complete absence of black over their entire bodies. The most popular selective variations of the amel mutation include the Candy Cane , Reverse Okeetee, Fluorescent, and Sunglow. They are all polygenic variants of the base mutation, amel. Dark areas may be seen in some of the eyes of amel types, but this is not melanin. It is tissue in the eyes that does not reflect light, and therefore only appears to be black."

and here is one excerpt that speaks about colors changing as they grow:

"in some hatchlings the areas where you expect to see white can be somewhat clear or lavender in color, but they will transform to white with age."

and about the creamsicle:

"Creamsicle is the albino compound product of the Amel mutation of Corn Snake and any form of Emory's Rat Snake (aka: Great Plains Rat Snake)"

So although yes, a creamsicle is a hybrid it is still amelanistic.

hope this helps.

Donnie · 08-26-12, 12:16 AM

I did not word my answer very well at all (it was late for me, I should have been in bed), what I should of said was

This is not entirely correct. They all contain the amel trait and candycane is a selectively bred amel so right in this case to be called amel, a snow is a combination of amel and anery and a creamsicle is a hybrid of an amel corn and a great plains rat snake. If you breed amel and amel together all you get are amels.