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Old 04-11-12, 10:19 PM   #1
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Wow, great pictures. You have some wicked snakes. I love the look on the faces of the last two, lol.
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Wow, great pictures. You have some wicked snakes. I love the look on the faces of the last two, lol.
Thanks...the last two look like a couple of teenagers getting busted...LOL
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Thanks...the last two look like a couple of teenagers getting busted...LOL
Yeah, that's exactly the impression I got too, lol!
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Nice series of shots!
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Thanks Jorge...
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Your kings don't try to eat each other? Or are these just a few quick pics? Either way amazing looking kings!
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My kings don't try to eat each other.....
I house my kingsnakes together in breeding pairs or trios.....
Never two males in one enclosure.....
I have no cannibalism issues....Plus mexicana and montane kings are far less cannibalistic.

The best advice I can give to someone without a great deal of experience with kings is to NOT house them together.
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My kings don't try to eat each other.....
I house my kingsnakes together in breeding pairs or trios.....
Never two males in one enclosure.....
I have no cannibalism issues....Plus mexicana and montane kings are far less cannibalistic.

The best advice I can give to someone without a great deal of experience with kings is to NOT house them together.
How do you get them to not each other? Do you house your milks together too?
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Yeah I don't have to much experience but I just introduce my female to my males tub and watch for an hour or so then after I'm sure they had a lock it's back to their own enclosures
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Yeah I don't have to much experience but I just introduce my female to my males tub and watch for an hour or so then after I'm sure they had a lock it's back to their own enclosures
Yeah John is right. Mexicana, and Pyros, are not the same as the Common kings, like the Cali, or the Florida, or the Chain, or the Speckled. You get the idea, lol. They can be housed together but you have to know what your doing, and even then there is always a risk of canibolism. I have all my florida Kings together in breeding groups and pairs. But I know what the risk is.
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Yeah I don't have to much experience but I just introduce my female to my males tub and watch for an hour or so then after I'm sure they had a lock it's back to their own enclosures

Most cannibalistic snake deaths are due to the snakes having never seen each other before......If they "know" each other attacks will not occur.....

Again...this is just the way I do it and I am not telling anyone else they should.

I do not keep hatchling to yearling snakes together. These snakes are growing and learning. They will try to kill/eat anything that moves.

By their second winter I cool the brumation chamber down to 50F. When the kings clear their stomachs I place them in the chamber for a day then I place them together. A king will not want to eat a very large meal (another snake) when temps are 50F.

The pairs and trios are never separated after they are introduced that second winter....Some kings grow slower and will not be paired up until the third winter.....

Many kingsnake breeders do this...contrary to the internet caresheets and TFH books' warnings......Bob Applegate, Frank Retes, European breeders, myself and numerous others........

There's more than one way to achieve your desired goals while keeping these captives.......And this is how I do......

The only time I had a female king kill a male king was back in the late 90s when I did not keep them together. After that I was way more careful and watched everything closely. In the last 3 years or so, after applying some husbandry techniques I started co-habitating them.......
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My king would eat another I am sure. He tries to eat my hand after I have handled another snake so I assume he would go right to town on another snake.
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