Black rough necks and mangroves

SAVANNAH_GUY · 05-02-05, 12:53 PM

Hi, I have two 8'H-6'L-4'deep enlcosures and i was thinking about getting a black roughnecked monitor and a mangrove monitor i have an endless supply of cbb frogs mice and dwarf hamsters I can also get crayfish and freshwater crabs for about five cents a piece, I would like to know were I could find some nice specimens in Ontario preferably in the niagara region, Of coarse I wont be getting them for awhile so i can properly reasearch them and set up the enclosures. Also i would like to see some pictures of how you guys and girls have your enclosures setup, Thanks in advance, Tyler Miller.......

SAVANNAH_GUY · 05-02-05, 02:09 PM

Any body, I'd really like to see some enclosure pics so I can get a general idea or even your opinions on the breeds.....

markuss · 05-02-05, 03:33 PM

I have a black throat and i got some advice from scott and markb both have lots of good info, i have mine in a 60 gal right now and he is about 25" now so its not going to last long i am makeing a 9'x5'x4' cage for him and you need to be able to have a few hide spots for them one in the hotspot and one maby in the middle and one in the colder area of course i found my (BT) much more active that way with temps about 120-130 in hot area and about 80 in the colder area and for the set up.. well how creative are you, have have to keep in mine that (BT) are manly ground dwellers but will climb sometimes so if ya can try to mix it up a bit i have some big ideas for my cage ill post some of it when i get it going

bistrobob85 · 05-02-05, 04:12 PM

hey markuss, he was talking about a rough-necked monitor, not a blackthroat

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crocdoc · 05-02-05, 05:39 PM

Hey Savannah guy, since you have reasonably large enclosures, rather than get a postage stamp collection (one of each species) of wild caught monitors, why not get a pair of something and try to start breeding them? Start with a captive bred species, as it'll be easier.

You'll get a lot more out of the hobby that way, trust me.

markuss · 05-02-05, 06:38 PM

LOL opps my bad :P

Tim and Julie B · 05-02-05, 06:48 PM

crocdoc: Easier said then done in Canada unfortunately. Anyone that has them won't usually won't sell them. Psst send me some sand monitors!

Sav guy: Honestly I like both species you mentioned. But I have never kept either so I really can't tell you anything you can't find on the internet.

crocdoc · 05-02-05, 07:38 PM

.B mit

I've seen quite a number of captive bred monitors in Canada being mentioned on this very forum.

Here's a link to someone in Ontario that breeds a few of the smaller species

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...threadid=64647

bistrobob85 · 05-02-05, 08:03 PM

You're great, crocdoc, very good idea for the breeding. Though its thrue that CB monitors aren't so easy to find in Canada but it makes it an even better reason to breed... Savannah_Guy, if i were you i would get a couple of indicus ( mangrove ) and try to get a few eggs once in a while and hatch them!! That's one dream of mine, but i dont have either the awesome food supply you have nor the room... You have an incredible luck to be able to offer such a diet to animals. You'll probably get superhealthy animals, please breed something!! DEATH TO WC!!

crocdoc · 05-02-05, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by crocdoc
Start with a captive bred species, as it'll be easier.

The reason I made the above statement is because you really don't want to be starting with a wildcaught species if it is your first monitor breeding project as you're dooming yourself to likely failure (unless you hit it lucky). So mangroves would be a bad idea and you'd just be pulling two out of the wild instead of one.

A captive bred species would be much easier to start with, then he'd be able to try something a bit more difficult.

Tim and Julie B · 05-03-05, 01:30 AM

Do dwarfs really count? LOL

SAVANNAH_GUY · 05-03-05, 07:18 PM

Its not my first monitor, i have some red ackies and 1 savannah and 2 black throat white throat crosses. Croc Doc, i think i can get a male and female cbb mangrove, but i would like to get three would a wild caught female be ok with them if so i would like to redo the cages by adding them together or hell even build a brand new one if so do you think they like length or height better if it is length i will put the enclosures together if they like height i will build a 12'h 8'l '6 deep enclosure. Do you think it would be good to have a rain maker, I do like the idea of breeding them i didnt even think about trying to breed them. Also what do you think would be a little easier to breed black rough necks or mangroves if it is Brns i can probably get them for a little more $$$$ but would definatly like to pay more to have a more likely chance of breeding them. thanks for the replys everyone......

crocdoc · 05-03-05, 07:29 PM

I can't say which would be easier to breed between black roughnecks or mangroves, but if you can get a CB pair of mangroves (I'd be surprised if this were actually the case), I'd go for those. No, I wouldn't put a third one in with them, either, as that's just asking for trouble.

As far as a rainmaker goes, I think you'd be better off putting money, time and energy into the enclosure itself rather than making it too fancy. You can always mist them.

As far as enclosure heights to, I'm a big one for tall enclosures but as these are tropical species you are talking about you may have a lot of difficulty trying to heat a 12' high enclosure (unless it is in a heated herp room). However, make the enclosure as big as you can, but if you are going to get the mangroves as juveniles keep them in something smaller (and more controllable) first.

SAVANNAH_GUY · 05-03-05, 07:43 PM

Well i have the money, as for heating the enclosure it will have heat panels all through the walls and as for time and materials me and my father think it will only take about four days to complete and since my father has his own wood shop we have an endless supply of wood. and as for the breeder he has the proof to back it up i have seen his home videos of the mating,laying and hatching, he has two sexually mature mangroves and they are beautiful. Croc Doc do you recamend any books about mangroves, Also weve been working on hollowing out logs and have some really nice ones or would wood hide boxes be better

crocdoc · 05-03-05, 08:31 PM

There aren't any books on mangrove care that I know of, but Rav and Daniel's book on savannah monitors has lots of good information about monitor care in general.

http://mampam.50megs.com/bok/bok11.htm

I'd use hollow logs over hide boxes, provided they're a reasonably snug fit for the monitor.