possiable ackie morphs

Gatorhunter1231 · 01-06-13, 09:32 PM

Here is my little secrets that I have been keeping for two weeks. These could prove out to be genetic. Pics are worth a thousand words so Ill let the pics talk.

even though this one isnt stripped I still gave him some photo time. He has a blotchy spots and sticks out from the other 6 "regulars".

there is a total of 9 ackies from this clutch. There was 10 but one passed on after an hour from hatching. It was a partial strip.
Dustin B.

dinosaurdammit · 01-06-13, 09:34 PM

its like an ackie motley

Pirarucu · 01-06-13, 09:38 PM

Holy cow! That is insane! Are you selling them or keeping them? I'm guessing the latter?

Gatorhunter1231 · 01-06-13, 10:05 PM

keeping and test for genetics on the two stripped and on the "normals". If it turns out to be genetic then I need to figure out if it is recessive, dominant, etc and more importantly if there is a super form

Pirarucu · 01-06-13, 10:31 PM

If the parents are unrelated (I believe they are?) then unfortunately it's very unlikely it's genetic. If it was just one it could be, but it's extremely unlikely that the same mutation would happen in two individuals. That leaves one or both of the parents having the gene, which if they are unrelated and normal looking, is ruled out.
I'm guessing it has something to do with incubation. In Burmese Pythons, fluctuating incubation temperatures are thought to be the cause of striped Burms that pop up every now and then. Those individuals are also undersized, I have yet to see a striped burm over seven or eight feet.

Pirarucu · 01-06-13, 10:32 PM

If the parents are unrelated (I believe they are?) then unfortunately it's very unlikely it's genetic. If it was just one it could be, but it's extremely unlikely that the same mutation would happen in two individuals. That leaves one or both of the parents having the gene, which if they are unrelated and normal looking, is ruled out.
I'm guessing it has something to do with incubation. In Burmese Pythons, fluctuating incubation temperatures are thought to be the cause of striped Burms that pop up every now and then. Those individuals are also undersized, I have yet to see a striped burm over seven or eight feet.

BarelyBreathing · 01-06-13, 10:52 PM

Well that's interesting. AWESOME! Congratulations.

Gatorhunter1231 · 01-07-13, 06:14 AM

That incubation method is crap at least as far as these guys are concerned. Varying temps have caused crooked spines, hatch with egg sacs or large die offs after hatching. I have had ackies range from 100s down to low 80s and never had stripping before. These held constant at 86.5 controlled by herpstat (digital) and heat supplied by heat tape. Now they did become turgid the last month and that could be it. However the father is odd himself and really the only wild card in this. He is new where everything else has become more
constant. I will test it out and see. If it doesn't turn out to be like a normal morph in terms of recessive, dominant, etc then I might be able to line breed it like some do for colors.

One last fun piece of info. For the most part, all ackies in the USA are related. Most ackies derived from a few individuals since Australia isn't large into exporting/importing. Bloodlines from Europe and Canada would be exceptions to this rule since I'm not sure about their origins. Anyone know how many ackies fr brought over?

Scale_fever · 01-07-13, 06:22 AM

Wow impressive buggers,congrats & thanks for sharing. if it is genetic this will be epic!

red ink · 01-07-13, 07:47 AM

Are all the specimens in the pics from the same clutch? Got pics of the parents?

infernalis · 01-07-13, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatorhunter1231

Anyone know how many ackies fr brought over?

No, and considering his track record for honesty, I would hesitate to take his word for it.

Gatorhunter1231 · 01-07-13, 11:35 AM

I can tell you FR didn't bring many. What I'm getting at is most ackies are very tight in bloodlines outside of European and Canadian bloodlines that rarely come in. Same clutch and only clutch from my new male. A second clutch from this male could help me identify reasoning. If a second clutch has stripped odd balls then I will have a good feeling on if this will be genetic. Also be intresting to see how pattern developes as they age. If it was temps then someone would have stumbled across this before. Right now I have 2 ackies unlike it others. Everything else right now is just theory.

infernalis · 01-07-13, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatorhunter1231

I can tell you FR didn't bring many..

I don't want to derail your thread too bad, but any clue how Frank pulled it off?

I know he had Lacies & Perentie too, I am very curious how he came to get them here, and did he get them in Oz or did he stop over in the Philippines or whatever????

BarelyBreathing · 01-07-13, 12:45 PM

I really hope their pattern doesn't break up as leopard gecko stripes do. These are so cool! (I know I've said that before, but they really are neat!)

Gatorhunter1231 · 01-07-13, 03:38 PM

@wayne. Something you should ask FR or someone more in tune with that. I have never asked FR myself and my opinion would be void.
@barely. Time will tell. They are eating well and growing like weeds.