Breeding Loans

Strutter769 · 01-15-12, 07:13 PM

Has anyone (other than those I have already asked) done one of these "transactions?" From what I understand its a pretty unique way to get some new blood/traits into your collection. Sometimes its for cash, most times for a portion of the litter.

I also thought I'd read that it's best to introduce the two in the female's enclosure, and learned today it probably doesn't matter all that much. Again today I learned something.

stephanbakir · 01-15-12, 07:34 PM

I've done it a few times, with retics you need to cool the male so its always male into females enclosure. That being said 9 times out of 10 are Female goes to the Males location, the reason is simple, the breeder likely has 3-6 females lined up for that male and quarantine means that the animals will need to be appart for 6 months, making it difficult to breed the new animal and his own stock.
The way I've done it is simple, each breeder gets 2 holdbacks, if you cant come to a reasonable agreement on who gets what, you solve it with a coin toss. The rest of the clutch is sold and split evenly. For me it's worked but my animals have large clutches, not sure how that would work with snakes that have small clutches or statistically annoying clutches, liked double het to double het, or even tripple het to tripple het.

Keep in mind that breeding loans HAVE BROKEN UP FRIENDSHIPS, I did a loan with an old friend and I got what I wanted and he didn't (I was waiting for a different mutation then he was) and we haven't spoken since, not due to my lack of trying.

BarelyBreathing · 01-15-12, 07:37 PM

I bunch of my friends do this. It's fairly common.

Strutter769 · 01-15-12, 07:42 PM

Thanks Steph. I appreciate all that info. Especially the part about working with friends. Maybe if everything were in writing prior to the mating, that might help? I definitely wouldn't want to ruin human friendships over a couple snakes.

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CK SandBoas · 01-15-12, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

Thanks Steph. I appreciate all that info. Especially the part about working with friends. Maybe if everything were in writing prior to the mating, that might help? I definitely wouldn't want to ruin human friendships over a couple snakes.

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The most important thing is to get it in writing, explicitly stating the parties involved, which animals are involved, who will be housing the animals during the Breeding Loan, and what each party will receive from the results of the breeding. Having a legal contract will benefit you, and also the other party, if anything should occur.

beardeds4life · 01-15-12, 07:47 PM

I personally have never done it but I see no problem with it as long as you are 100% whoever is taking your snake or you are taking theirs have NO diseases or sicknesses or anything because if you have thousands invested into your breeding program you wuld not want them all to die.

stephanbakir · 01-15-12, 08:11 PM

Thats why quarantine is so important.

Strutter769 · 01-15-12, 08:25 PM

Quarantine the babies too, correct?

**millertime89** · 01-15-12, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

Quarantine the babies too, correct?

I don't think that would be necessary, but I've never bred before.

Strutter769 · 01-15-12, 09:33 PM

Yeah, I thought that may be a bit of overkill.

beardeds4life · 01-15-12, 09:45 PM

You would rather be safe then sorry

peterm15 · 01-15-12, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

Quarantine the babies too, correct?

from mom and pop? eachother? Other animals in your collection?

The only ones i would quaratine from is other animals... pathagins ( sp?) and desieses can be transfered from parents to babies.

Strutter769 · 01-15-12, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by peterm15

from mom and pop? eachother? Other animals in your collection?

The only ones i would quaratine from is other animals... pathagins ( sp?) and desieses can be transfered from parents to babies.

I guess I meant quarantine from the rest of the collection.

red ink · 01-15-12, 10:03 PM

I'll go the other way here and say no to the idea...

I personally would never do it, viruses like OMPV and IBD can wipe out entire collections and there's no way of detecting them on looks alone until it's too late. The issue of quarantine does not come into it as if your planning on a breeding loan they will come into contact with each other.

I quarantine all new snakes in my collection for 12 months. I use F10 spray on my hands each time I handle a snake (even the ones I have owned for a while). I dunk feed tongs in F10 solution each time I pick up a rat to feed.

I do not let other reptile owners in my snake room unless they are sterelised. Paranoid I know but I'd rather that than complacency wipe out my collection.

Strutter769 · 01-15-12, 10:12 PM

I agree it sounds risky to me. There would have to somehow be enough trust built up prior. I doubt I'd find anyone locally who I'd build that with. It'd have to be some outrageous, PROVEN trait in order to even consider I guess.