Unfortunate Savannah monitor situation..

infernalis · 01-05-12, 05:45 PM

I moved all relevant posts here, the savannahmonitor.org thread was clouding up with this.

People who know understand what FR stands for, Frank Retes of Goanna ranch.

He's a well experienced keeper, with a lot to offer, provided you have the patience to sift through six tons of rubbish to get to one ounce of decent info, just a little too Narcissistic for my liking.

BarelyBreathing · 01-07-12, 10:28 PM

The drama when it comes to monitors is just ridiculous. Just because I believe in feeding a natural diet (I do this will all my animals, by the way, not just monitors) doesn't make me a fool, or a bad person. There is so much hate on some forums. I don't care what anybody says to my face. It's a forum, after all. But talking behind somebody's back... anybody's back, is just cowardly.

shaunyboy · 01-08-12, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

The drama when it comes to monitors is just ridiculous. Just because I believe in feeding a natural diet (I do this will all my animals, by the way, not just monitors) doesn't make me a fool, or a bad person. There is so much hate on some forums. I don't care what anybody says to my face. It's a forum, after all. But talking behind somebody's back... anybody's back, is just cowardly.

of ALL the animals of yours,i've seen pictures posted of.....

EVERY single one of them looked to be in perfect condition and excellent health

those pictures alone should tell people what you do works 100%

sadly there are lots of google warriors or misinformed clique's of sad people out there,who like nothing more than to stir it up,while hiding behind a keyboard

cheers shaun

BarelyBreathing · 01-08-12, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

of ALL the animals of yours,i've seen pictures posted of.....

EVERY single one of them looked to be in perfect condition and excellent health

those pictures alone should tell people what you do works 100%

sadly there are lots of google warriors or misinformed clique's of sad people out there,who like nothing more than to stir it up,while hiding behind a keyboard

cheers shaun

Well thanks a bunch for the compliment. It means a lot, and it's great to know that people are still sensible online.

It sucks that these people exist, because not only are they giving new keepers information that could possibly kill their pet, but they do it in a way that makes the correct information look like it's bad, and the wrong information look like it's the better option. I don't know if that made sense.... if not, I can try to clarify.

infernalis · 01-08-12, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

Well thanks a bunch for the compliment. It means a lot, and it's great to know that people are still sensible online.

It sucks that these people exist, because not only are they giving new keepers information that could possibly kill their pet, but they do it in a way that makes the correct information look like it's bad, and the wrong information look like it's the better option. I don't know if that made sense.... if not, I can try to clarify.

What you just said makes perfect sense to me.

I am compiling some stuff to help end that madness.

Every single time I try to help out someone (on certain forums) folks like Moe, Frank and his other "minions" turn up with their nonsensical rubbish and call me an inexperienced newb without a clue.

It is not you or I killing all of those Savs out there it is THEM.

I was just reading through a bunch of Frank's rubbish..

One post alone, let's have a look at the contradictions posted. From a man who repeatedly states that he does NOT work with this species of monitor. (I intentionally blotted out the self indulgent chest beating to illustrate the core information only)

First statements made... I did some extensive research on the weather patterns of the African Savanna plains, there are many days that the average temps are in the 70's, in fact the days over 90 (as Frank suggests) are the minority, the rainy season is short lived, and only during the rainy season are the temps there over 100 degrees.

So therefore, taking my monitor outside on any given day over 70 degrees more closely mimics real world conditions his species is subjected to in the wild.

Second statement made - These animals do not come out... blah blah..

It is common knowledge that Savs go down burrows to cool off, Thermo regulate, the temps down in the burrows can be quite low, so using his logic, they all die down in their burrows, because they NEVER reach that ideal temperature and come back out. DUH!

This is why hot basking spots are essential, so the monitor can come out of his dark, damp and otherwise chilly little hole in the ground and warm up.

His final statement in that post (underlined in red) is the most laughable, When I asked him how old he thought Chomper was, he refused to answer me.

Even though I had stated no less than 3 times that Chomper was 5 years old, Mr. Frank never even read that part of my posts.

He is continually confusing the African Savanna plains with the Australian outback, that is where the biggest pile of misinformation this blowhard narcissistic tool comes from.

BarelyBreathing · 01-08-12, 11:31 AM

What matters even more than air temperature is SURFACE temperature. Have you ever measured the surface temperature on top of a log in the sun at a 70f day? Well let's just say it's not 70f.

snakehill · 01-08-12, 11:43 AM

Wow! Have read some of their posts! They sounds like someone on another forum that was giving me crap about how I kept my Tegus!

shaunyboy · 01-08-12, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

Well thanks a bunch for the compliment. It means a lot, and it's great to know that people are still sensible online.

It sucks that these people exist, because not only are they giving new keepers information that could possibly kill their pet, but they do it in a way that makes the correct information look like it's bad, and the wrong information look like it's the better option. I don't know if that made sense.... if not, I can try to clarify.

^^^^^
made perfect sense

i feel it always best to act on line,as you would with someone standing in front of you

cheers shaun

infernalis · 01-08-12, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

What matters even more than air temperature is SURFACE temperature. Have you ever measured the surface temperature on top of a log in the sun at a 70f day? Well let's just say it's not 70f.

Oh yes.

Even in the middle of winter, pay attention and you will see the snow is always melted around any exposed rocks or sticks.

It's called "radiant energy"

One of the ways I am heating Chompers cage is a radiant heat source behind it, that in turn heats those big aluminum panels along the back of his enclosure, then they in turn radiate thermal energy into the enclosure.

Another neat trick I am using is to place a bowl of water directly under a 100 watt flood lamp, the bowl of water evaporates quickly into his enclosure raising up the humidity a lot.

shaunyboy · 01-08-12, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

What you just said makes perfect sense to me.

I am compiling some stuff to help end that madness.

Every single time I try to help out someone (on certain forums) folks like Moe, Frank and his other "minions" turn up with their nonsensical rubbish and call me an inexperienced newb without a clue.

It is not you or I killing all of those Savs out there it is THEM.

I was just reading through a bunch of Frank's rubbish..

One post alone, let's have a look at the contradictions posted. From a man who repeatedly states that he does NOT work with this species of monitor. (I intentionally blotted out the self indulgent chest beating to illustrate the core information only)

First statements made... I did some extensive research on the weather patterns of the African Savanna plains, there are many days that the average temps are in the 70's, in fact the days over 90 (as Frank suggests) are the minority, the rainy season is short lived, and only during the rainy season are the temps there over 100 degrees.

So therefore, taking my monitor outside on any given day over 70 degrees more closely mimics real world conditions his species is subjected to in the wild.

Second statement made - These animals do not come out... blah blah..

It is common knowledge that Savs go down burrows to cool off, Thermo regulate, the temps down in the burrows can be quite low, so using his logic, they all die down in their burrows, because they NEVER reach that ideal temperature and come back out. DUH!

This is why hot basking spots are essential, so the monitor can come out of his dark, damp and otherwise chilly little hole in the ground and warm up.

His final statement in that post (underlined in red) is the most laughable, When I asked him how old he thought Chomper was, he refused to answer me.

Even though I had stated no less than 3 times that Chomper was 5 years old, Mr. Frank never even read that part of my posts.

He is continually confusing the African Savanna plains with the Australian outback, that is where the biggest pile of misinformation this blowhard narcissistic tool comes from.

give him this link,i use it for all my weather seasonal temp settings etc
BBC Weather

you just put in the locality of the place and " heh presto " it gives you year round weather and temperature reports

make sure it covers the area your needing though wayne,as i don't want to give this guy anything wrong to jump on

i use it for australia,but i'm thinking its a more populated place,than where chomp originates from

i get great seasonal weather reports from it

cheers shaun

Mikey T · 01-08-12, 04:58 PM

But tell us how you really feel Shaun LOL

shaunyboy · 01-08-12, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey T

But tell us how you really feel Shaun LOL

"i'm sexy and i know it"

you did ask mate

cheers shaun

crocdoc · 01-08-12, 10:16 PM

I'm bummed the thread was closed as I was going to try explaining something, yet again, but in even simpler terms. I still can't believe I went through the trouble typing out that long post with an example of how his mate's science bashing and stubborn attitude has lead to husbandry failures and all he got out of it (after presumably skimming over it with a closed mind) was that his mate and I had a disagreement and now I am bitter. lol, but duh.

It reminded me of a talk I gave to a herp society meeting last year. The talk was an hour long and all about breeding monitors. I had photos and videos of courting, mating, ovulation, egg laying and hatching. There were graphs and tables with facts and figures, there were fancy morphing videos showing how to sex monitors and videos of the weird poses adopted by a female when gravid - I put waaaay more hours into it than I needed to. At the end, when it was question time, some guy put his hand up and said "I guess you like Ikea" (I'm gathering because he thought a piece of furniture in the background of one of the videos was from Ikea). I looked at him and thought "Really, is that all you got out of that?" then realised I had said it out loud.

(Luckily he wasn't the only person to ask a question and, judging by the other questions, other people got more out of it than my furniture tastes).

BarelyBreathing · 01-08-12, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by crocdoc

It reminded me of a talk I gave to a herp society meeting last year. The talk was an hour long and all about breeding monitors. I had photos and videos of courting, mating, ovulation, egg laying and hatching. There were graphs and tables with facts and figures, there were fancy morphing videos showing how to sex monitors and videos of the weird poses adopted by a female when gravid - I put waaaay more hours into it than I needed to. At the end, when it was question time, some guy put his hand up and said "I guess you like Ikea" (I'm gathering because he thought a piece of furniture in the background of one of the videos was from Ikea). I looked at him and thought "Really, is that all you got out of that?" then realised I had said it out loud.

(Luckily he wasn't the only person to ask a question and, judging by the other questions, other people got more out of it than my furniture tastes).

Hahaha, that is pretty funny.

SpOoKy · 01-08-12, 11:03 PM

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I'm bummed the thread was closed as I was going to try explaining something, yet again, but in even simpler terms. I still can't believe I went through the trouble typing out that long post with an example of how his mate's science bashing and stubborn attitude has lead to husbandry failures and all he got out of it (after presumably skimming over it with a closed mind) was that his mate and I had a disagreement and now I am bitter. lol, but duh.

Don't be bummed, your posts were educational and I enjoyed reading them as I am sure others enjoyed reading also.