Blizzard x Blood red corns hatching! *lots of pics!*

[Katt]

Ok, so we're pretty stoked for this clutch. Blizzards are my fave corn morph with blood red not being too far behind. This year, I put Silica (blizzard) to Daytona (blood red). The first clutch produced 12 eggs; 11 slugs, 1 good. Unfortunately, the good one died. So I tried for a second clutch considering Silica was looking pretty good.

The second clutch yielded eight beautiful eggs all of which have survived. A week ago due to a mix up we cut open one egg and found a pale, but fully formed baby. It was still alive and so we left him be hoping he'd make it through incubation. Well today, that li'l bugger was out! And two of his buddies were chilling in their eggs next to him.

When Vanan first opened the lay box, all he saw were the li'l noses poking out, but I saw this guy all covered in vermiculite and was like, there's a baby!!! Gasps of awe and amazement as the baby actually kept his pale colouration!!!

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/charcoal1.jpg">

What the heck?

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/blizblood1bod.jpg">


An anery?! But what type??

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/blizblood1face.jpg">

I'm fairly certain this is a true blue Anery type B, aka Charcoal. We have been looking for a true charcoal and were hoping that when these babies came out we could cross them and get a charcoal out, but what do you know?! We get one right away!!

What makes me think it's charcoal? Well Silica is blizzard (amel with anery B). And so far of the three babies we can see, two are this anery colour. I have posted a pic of the baby and someone did confirm that it looks like a charcoal baby. Charcoal babies have a blueish colour to them and a pink or blue blush on the face which is apparent on the cheeks. Take a look at the last pic.

One of the li'l babies is this absolutely drop dead gorgeous normal.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/blizblood2bod.jpg">

Wow! I don't know if that's blood red influencing that sucker, but he she it has a lot of red on it.

This is the third li'l dude, also an anery (charcoal?).

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/blizblood3egg.jpg">

But finally, after all these pics and nuttiness compare these belly pics!

Nothing special with the charcoal belly.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/blizblood1belly.jpg">

But the normal? Whoa, neat stripey thing happening.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/blizblood2belly.jpg">

Blood reds have no checkering on the belly and I'm wondering if that's influencing the normals belly checkers.

Anyhow, this clutch has proved to be WAY more interesting then we first expected. I can't wait for the rest to come out of their eggs.

We'll be waiting for sheds and in a year or so we will know for sure if the aneries are charcoal as most charcoals do not produce yellow on the throat.

[Colonel_SB]

Nice babies

[BoidKeeper]

I would think that the blood red is het for anery. If they are going to produce yellow it will happen sooner then that I think.
Some really big eyes in there too eh!
Congrats,
Trevor

[thunder]

about the belly pattern thing: a lot of hets for bloodred show some odd belly pattern, or increased red. i have one little girl right now who is a het for bloodred, and she is incredible, has a lot of bloodred influence in her phenotype. that is one project i absolutely cant wait to get off the ground.

[Katt]

BoidKeeper, het for what type of anery is the question? If Anery A, that must mean my blizzard is het for Anery A too, as blizzards are amel and anery B.

[vanderkm]

Gorgeous babies Katt - sure suggestive of anery B based on what those babies look like. With the fact that anery B was put into bloodred lines much more frequently than anery A due to the desire to make Pewters, odds would favor it being anery B - congrats - great to see a few true charcoals around.

The belly pattern is certainly consistent with het bloodred - not a nice straightforward recessive inheritance - lot of influence in the hets giving some reduction in belly pattern and some loss of the saddles and diffusion of color in the hets, though never as much as in the pure bloodreds.

Very interesting babies - will be really neat to see how they mature - keep us posted,

mary v.

[Invictus]

They are phenomenal Katt!

[BoidKeeper]

The Loves have written about corns being het for both A and B at the same time. You might have some real nice genes in those animals.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Katt]

Here are pics of mommy and daddy.

Daytona, Poppa.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/daytonaface.jpg">

Silica, Momma
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Kattia/Corns/silicainflower.jpg">

[Tim_Cranwill]

What a KILLER pair!

[Simon]

Originally posted by Katt
Wow! I don't know if that's blood red influencing that sucker, but he she it has a lot of red on it.

But the normal? Whoa, neat stripey thing happening.

Blood reds have no checkering on the belly and I'm wondering if that's influencing the normals belly checkers.

Actually we do think that the bloodred gene is a co-dominant or dominant gene. Most of the hatchlings from a bloodred project has bloodred influence on it. Like the belly checkerings on the normal is one of the 'hint' of the snake being het for bloodred. But a more common thing is that the hatchlings should have a 'bald' head. Like a normal bloodred does. I am actually quite surprised that your hatchlings doesn't have the 'bald' head thing going on. But once you showed me the belly pattern, it was more of a relief since there is at least some affect from the bloodred line~
Just by looking at the belly pic, I would also put my guess on that normal to be a male. Why? Cause I think that males tend to have those 'stripy' belly checkerings more often than a female. (This is not an accurate way of sexing, just my own opinion and from most of the corns that I have seen over the past 12 years)

Well the picture that you send me (first picture here) looks like an anery a. But then the third picture makes them look like a charcoal~ LOL!!

Like I said before, only breeding trials would really prove out if your bloodred is het for anery a or anery b. I would say this really depends on the breeder for the bloodred. Like I said in the pm, this affects quite a bit. There aren't many people in Canada that are working with the pewter lines. So if you were to get the bloodred from Canada, its properly het for anery a (both being het a) if the bloodred is from the States, I would make my bet that the bloodred is het anery b.

Give it a breeding trail next year to find out. Breed the two with an anery a to see if any anerys pop out. If so, most likely that both are just het anery a. (LOL but have to make sure that he anery a parent you're breeding isn't het anery b too~ or else its just going to make things worse~)

[Katt]

Hi Simon! Thanks for the PM.

Daytona, came from Daytona. I bought him two years ago from the NRBE in Daytona, FL. Silica was also produced in the States.

The second pic is definitely the more accurate in terms of lightless and colour.

So far five anery/charcoals out and one normal, with two eggs unpipped. Considering so many are anery, I'm betting on Anery B.

[Vanan]

Give it a breeding trail next year to find out. Breed the two with an anery a to see if any anerys pop out. If so, most likely that both are just het anery a. (LOL but have to make sure that he anery a parent you're breeding isn't het anery b too~ or else its just going to make things worse~)

*bangs head on keyboard* >( >(

[Simon]

Originally posted by Vanan
*bangs head on keyboard* >( >(

LOL!!!!

Isn't the genetics in corns fun?!?!?!?!

Katt,

Well if they're both from the States I would say that they're charcoals~

This is because there just aren't a lot of people in Canada working with the anery b (charcoal) gene here.

But like I said before....only breeding trails can tell what they really are~~~

[Katt]

Gotta love the genetics!

Really hoping these are true charcoals. I want to produce some blizzards one fine day! I'll definitely be holding on to a male to breed back to mommy.

So far it looks like I have six anery/charcoals? and two normals.

Grrr, I had wanted more normals!!!