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06-19-04, 03:57 PM
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What would you get by mating....
a snow to a normal het snow?
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06-19-04, 04:05 PM
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Theoretically, you should get 25% snow, 25% amel, 25% anery A and 25% normal. The amels will be het for anery, the anerys will be het for amel and the normals will be het for both amel and anery A.
Should make for an interesting breeding. Good luck!
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06-19-04, 04:30 PM
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Yes! I was right. I'm trying to get the hang of this genetics stuff. I was trying to figure the most interesting combo (I currently have a male snow - now I just need to find a female het snow!). Thanks!
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06-19-04, 05:13 PM
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ok then what would i get if i breed a snow to a normal bloodred?
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06-19-04, 05:53 PM
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Homo x het or dbl homo x dbl het will give you a nice ratio of each trait....
50/50 with a single trait or 25/25/25/25 with a double trait... odds are.
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06-19-04, 06:01 PM
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hi can you tell me that in english lol.
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06-19-04, 10:26 PM
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Hmmm, I was thinking snowxbloodred would yield babies that looked normal but were het snow & het bloodred? But again, I'm still learning.
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06-19-04, 10:32 PM
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lizlady,
Homozygous or "homo" animals show said thrait. Heterozygous or "het" animals carry said trait/gene but it doesn't show.
Double homo and double het carry two traits, in this instance Snow. Snows are double homo... Albino and Anery.
There's an article about all of this stuff on my web page...
Here's the link.
http://www3.mb.sympatico.ca/~cranwill/faq22.html
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06-20-04, 11:48 AM
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So in plain terms, a Snow X Bloodred would produce normals that are TRIPLE het for Anery A, Amel, and Bloodred.
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06-20-04, 07:10 PM
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Ahhh, now I understand. Thanks!
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06-20-04, 07:27 PM
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with the snow x normal het snow, what if the snow has the pink/yellow look and the normal is het with the pink & green colors? How does that affect the 25% of the babies that will be snow-will some be pink/yellow and some pink/green or is one of those colors more dominant?
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Last edited by Tigergenesis; 06-20-04 at 07:55 PM..
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06-20-04, 10:02 PM
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I HEART PUNNETT SQUARES!!!
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ssssoon to come...albino burmese python (2 days and counting)
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06-21-04, 05:53 AM
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Yeah, that's what I've been trying to use - but still not quite sure how the pink/yellow snow vs pink/green snow falls in there.
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06-21-04, 08:46 AM
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The predictability of the pinks, greens and yellows of snows is not well established especially since to some degree they don't represent true pigment and are variations on the irridescence that underlies the pigmented skin layers. The only component of snow that shows some level of heritability is the 'coral snow' which is a snow corn that is homozygous for one of the hypo genes. I believe that some hypo genes have a more pronounced effect on bringing out the coral color than others do as there is quite a bit of variation in 'coral snows' out there.
While I don't have direct experience with bloodreds, I would extend a caution on considering a snow by bloodred to be het for all three traits. From what I understand, bloodred doesn't react like a typical simple recessive gene and often shows some effect when heterozygous (some hyper-reddness and pattern loss may appear in hets) and the full effect may not be reproduced in the manner of a simple recessive in future generations after an outcross.
The progeny predictors (Micks is most common) that you can download give a pretty good indication of what to expect from most simple recessives and for simplicity they often treat a gene as simple recessive, even when it might not be.
mary v.
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06-21-04, 10:20 AM
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Thanks Mary! I was just starting to wonder if breeding my male snow (pink/yellow) to a female normal het snow (pink/green) would yield more of a variety among offspring or if it would even matter whether what colors of snow the female was.
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