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04-02-03, 07:08 AM
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What do you keep them on?
What do you keep your beardies on? I keep mine Repti-sand (Its crushed wall-nuts) but now I want to switch as I found that its not digestable. Any suggestions? Thanks guys.
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04-02-03, 08:50 AM
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I know this might sound boring but newspaper. There are too many problems with sand.
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04-02-03, 10:14 AM
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i have used washed play sand and i have never had any problems you can find it at any TSC stores hope this helps.
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04-02-03, 10:26 AM
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I keep mine on orchid bark. Wet it for tropical species keep it dry for drier species. It's large enough they won't eat it but they can still dig. Orchid bark is the same stuff as repti-bark. The only difference is the cost! You can buy three times as much for way less then pet store prices. You can find it at any garden and plant store. Revy, Home Depot or Art Knapps to name a few. The added bonus is it cuts down that reptile smell.
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04-02-03, 12:13 PM
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I keep mine on ground coconut husk, like Bed-a-beast or Eco-earth, fully dried out. It's the only substrate that's passed my acid test for digestability. I pour 5% hydrochloric acid on a clump of substrate, then wait 20 minutes to see if it has dissolved. Obviously sand doesn't, and alfalfa pellets take almost 3 hours. Coconut husk dissolves in under 10 minutes. Wheat bran might also pass the test but there isn't a feed store near me so I've never tried it.
Plus my vet friends and I did a study this past summer. I kept half of my hatchlings on b-a-b and half on newspaper. I'd let them poop in their bath and the vets would analyze it to see if there were any whole pieces of substrate. None were found, but there were elevated levels of cellulose showing that ingested substrate was in fact digested.
I've seen over 1,300 beardies die of sand impactions between 1995 and 2000 when the vet hospital kept computer records of all the diagnoses. Roughly half of them were playsand and the other half calcium sand. Between 1985 and 1994 there were probably a few thousand. Most of these animals were adults, people don't tend to bring hatchlings in for surgery and/or necropsy.
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04-02-03, 12:53 PM
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Like Eyespy, I use ground coconut husk..Bed-a- Beast...have not had any problems with it at all. Started out using Repti-carpet but it was too hard to keep clean, plus since I built my own enclosure I had to cut up the carpet to get it to fit right. Pain in the a** . Unless you are going to use plain paper I think that the coconut is probably the best. Also I have found a place that sells 3 bricks for $4.99 and it only takes 2 bricks for my cage which is 4' X 2'
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04-02-03, 06:04 PM
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I too keep mine on washed play sand. I buy mine at Lowe's @ 3 USD, for 50 pounds.
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04-04-03, 10:08 AM
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eyespy we have been useing playsand for over 5 years and never had a Bearded Dragon die.
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04-04-03, 11:09 AM
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I keep mine on Bran. Easily digestable, beardies seem to like it, and for some reason seems to keep their crap smell down too. Its also cheap like sand and weighs a lot less. It gets my vote for substrate of choice, and I know a lot of people are now switching over to bran in lieu of sand as well
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04-04-03, 12:18 PM
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i use play pit sand, cuz all of the sides are smooth, and easly digseted. Just remeber in the wild they live on sand!!!!!!!! lol
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04-04-03, 02:33 PM
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boa, I've heard that line from 1985 to present when somebody does finally get an animal that dies from impaction. Did you know there are 2 types of impaction? Acute is when a clump of sand blocks off the entire plumbing and sudden death occurs. But chronic impaction is the more insidious kind and can not be accurately diagnosed without slitting the bowel open. That is the type of impaction most commonly found with playsand.
This occurs when sand sticks to the wet walls of the intestines and forms a coating. The animal loses the ability to absorb nutrients through the affected areas and slowly starves to death. Sometimes the tissue underneath the sand dies off and the animal goes septic and dies suddenly. If there is no necrosis, it can take upwards of 3 years for death to occur.
Most vets, even in necropsy, blame this sort of death on parasites or failure to thrive and never slit the bowel open to see if there is a sand coating. It's a very highly underdiagnosed problem.
Nicola, in the wild they DO NOT live on loose sand. It's sand mixed with soil that bakes into a hard crust, not dunes like the beach or the Sahara. Australian beardie keepers use bricklayer's sand with a high clay content to simulate their natural environment, they never use fine grained sand as that coats the intestines too easily. Beardie keepers who do use sand are regularly fined by
Wet your hand and bury it in sand. Does the sand cling? Can you shake it off easily? Probably not. Then that's what's happening inside the beardie's gut. Intestines are not smooth like sausage casings. They have millions of villi, fingerlike projections which absorb nutrients. Picture a coral reef with lots of sea anemones. That's what the gut is like. Sand clings all over those structures.
I've spent countless hours in the OR holding 3 feet of dying small intestine while the surgeon tried to find enough healthy tissue to justify keeping chronic impacted beardies alive. Almost all of them end up being euthanized because there just isn't enough functioning bowel left.
I bought this 5 week old beardie from a breeder that uses washed playsand. Having seen what I have, my vet and I did a gastric lavage to flush out the intestines thorougly and the vial is full of sand, bile salts and other digestive chemicals that were removed from her. It was almost 20% of her body weight after just 5 short weeks of being on sand. She would have been dead inside of 5 years had we not removed the sand:
<img src="http://www.thebeardedlady.org/images/sand.jpg">
The Special Species Clinic at the University of Pennsylvania where I used to work loses about 5 to 7 bearded dragons weekly from complications of chronic impaction.
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04-04-03, 02:46 PM
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I keep mine on a wild birdseed mix... an idea I got from the San Antonio zoo and how they had theirs set up.
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04-04-03, 03:03 PM
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oops, sorry, that blank spot should read fined by NPWS. That's the agency that licenses folks to keep herps in Australia. I was going to look up what the P stands for and then forgot that I didn't. Anyhow, my bookmark is a dead link so I'm not gonna look it up now.
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