bad pics and good eggs!

citysnakes · 05-19-09, 09:28 PM

hey guys so i finally figured out how to get pics up here so i thought i might show off a clutch i recently discovered.

thanks for looking!

Chu'Wuti · 05-19-09, 09:32 PM

Oh, Nice! OK, I'm trying to learn all the morphs, so I'm going to make a wild guess here--granite pinstripe female? Or am I miles off?

and those eggs look very healthy! Congrats!

citysnakes · 05-19-09, 09:46 PM

haha thanks! good guess... but its simply a regular spider female.

mykee · 05-20-09, 07:13 AM

Nice work Julian! Nice loking eggs too, what was your female spider bred to?

Chu'Wuti · 05-20-09, 07:34 AM

OK, I started thinking after I went to bed last night that I might have mixed up pinstripe & spider! Darn! So it was a BAD guess--you were either being too kind or very sarcastic!

OK, so looking at McCurley's photos in the book, apparently pinstripes don't have the dorsal striping and spiders do . . . and spiders have white extending up their sides more than pinstripes typically do. Am I getting this? Your beauty looks like she has freckles even on her belly. So now we have to wait two months to see the outcome . . .

citysnakes · 05-20-09, 07:53 AM

thanks Mykee! she was bred to a pastel so i got my fingers crossed for lots of bees.

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you were either being too kind or very sarcastic!

Sandy, i was being kindly sarcastic!

you'll get the morphs someday... but theres so damn many now that its hard to keep up.

siz · 05-20-09, 08:02 AM

Oh, congrats!

Hopefully you get some nice bees from her!

Chu'Wuti · 05-20-09, 09:15 AM

I can take it, Julian!

OK. Pastel is co-dominant color, Spider is dominant pattern and color. How does that work? You're looking for what McCurley calls Bumblebee Spider or Pastel Spider? Was your male from the yellow or the orange line? Or maybe I should ask what the pastel line was . . . Graziani or NERD or ??? Would you explain the hypothetical genetics to me, please? Sorry for all the questions!

Kmef07 · 05-20-09, 10:06 AM

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you'll get the morphs someday... but theres so damn many now that its hard to keep up.

That is why I dont' even try anymore. some look so close I think that people just want to discover new things so they just come up with a name. and some of them they call a different name so they can jack the price up. around Cincinnati I found that many of the breeders aren't honest and will make it sound like an awesome morph to a beginner and then they find out later they overpaid for a very common animal.

Kmef07 · 05-20-09, 10:07 AM

oh sorry for the ranting...

awesome looking eggs julian you must be a very proud keeper right about now. lol

Chu'Wuti · 05-20-09, 01:35 PM

Well, I'm planning to go looking at a couple of herp shows in June, and I want to be fore-armed with enough knowledge to keep anyone from scamming me with a "super-fantastic morph" that isn't. So now is the time to study hard!

**Aaron_S** · 05-20-09, 06:21 PM

Well I know a few things about morphs. I believe everyone slaps the name of their pastel line onto their animals to be able to sell it for more. Really, there's only two lines of pastel and it's just the "pastel jungle" or more commonly known as a "pastel" and the "lemon pastel". Which I believe NERD did originate, I may be wrong on that so please don't quote me. It's supposed to be a brighter pastel colour.

Very cool though Julien. Best of luck getting a bee out of them!

Chu'Wuti · 05-20-09, 09:22 PM

Per McCurley, pp. 204-205: "Pastel Jungle AKA Pastel, Graziania Pastel, Lemon pastel, Stonewash, Blonde etc) (in reference to specific lines established by various breeders). First produced: Kevin McCurley, NERD, 1997, proven by Graziani reptiles . . . this mutation brings yellows - and in some lines, orange - to the base color of the snake . . ."

That's why I'm asking about the yellow & the orange & what line . . .

**Aaron_S** · 05-20-09, 09:33 PM

To be honest, at least up here, we don't keep track too much on that. From my visits to american forums and from what I understand, it's not too prevalant there either. The only two that really make a difference are the lemon pastels vs pastels. Despite what the book says.

Though, with each snake it differs. You can have some snakes that have more orange and more with yellow. I would think you can selectively breed for a higher orange or yellow if you really wanted too but that's a very long project.

citysnakes · 05-20-09, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by siz

Oh, congrats!

Hopefully you get some nice bees from her!

thanks for the bee vibes Jess!

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Originally Posted by Chu'Wuti

OK. Pastel is co-dominant color, Spider is dominant pattern and color. How does that work? You're looking for what McCurley calls Bumblebee Spider or Pastel Spider? Was your male from the yellow or the orange line? Or maybe I should ask what the pastel line was . . . Graziani or NERD or ??? Would you explain the hypothetical genetics to me, please? Sorry for all the questions!

the pastel and spider gene are both co-dominant (or incomplete dominant) genes. by breeding a pastel to a spider, each egg will have a 1/4 chance of being either a normal, pastel, spider or bumblebee.

a "Pastel Spider" or a "Bumblebee Spider", as you put it, is simply a bumblebee which is the physical expression of the pastel and spider gene.

hope this helps.

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awesome looking eggs julian you must be a very proud keeper right about now. lol

ya man they all look great. this is my third clutch so far so im feeling pretty good right about now.

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Very cool though Julien. Best of luck getting a bee out of them!

thanks Aaron at least one is all i want!