Kink spine

Crystal2010 · 01-29-10, 07:33 AM

My friend just got a Ball python male with a kink on the back. I have read up on this and found that is a genetic condition. She said she was told from the lady that someone dropped the top lid of the cage on it and that is the result. Is that possible? Well now she wants to breed her male to one of my females and if it is genectic do I want to do this or pass? What do I do????

emseeKAY · 01-31-10, 12:34 AM

Ive never heard of breeding a kinked spine? im pretty sure its just a physical defect or abnormality that would occur, not something you can breed... why you would ever want to breed a snake to have a kinked spine is beyond me...

percey39 · 01-31-10, 01:29 AM

i have seen these sort of things come up once in a blue moon in a clutch, you find one with a bent tail or similar. Its more common having defects like this from being dropped or crushed. I would not breed a snake like that myself but i wouldnt think you would have any major concerns if you decide to.

infernalis · 01-31-10, 05:10 AM

I have a snake with a twisted spine, I know for a fact is a birth defect, since I have had this snake since birth, and never dropped anything on it.

I know a couple other people with some really kinked up snakes as well.

Personally I would refrain but I am to caring to "cull off" any babies that may get the same condition.

Will0W783 · 01-31-10, 07:37 AM

Good for you, Wayne! I don't think I could ever "cull off" any animals either.

marvelfreak · 01-31-10, 08:37 AM

Put it this way. Would you buy a snake with a kink in it? Why breed a snake with a defected and chance being stuck with a bunch more? I myself would never do it.

mykee · 01-31-10, 10:42 AM

Kinked spines are genetic with some morphs, namely the caramel (all lines of caramels kink from what I've heard).
Do you breed a kinked animal; no.
He's a pet.
Forever.

infernalis · 01-31-10, 11:23 AM

We named her "Twisty" for her spinal condition.

I am amazed by this girls progress. She is a sweet snake to boot.

These three pics show the progress of this snake... It's amazing the changes she has gone through, I can't hardly tell she was ever handicapped.

Here she is in the first month of life... I almost was tempted to put her down, Dorothy talked me out of it.

A few months later....

Hillsberry · 01-31-10, 11:47 AM

In away that is kinda cool looking. Does it hurt the snake?

infernalis · 01-31-10, 04:24 PM

she is living an otherwise normal life. she is growing bigger than the siblings, she is the alpha from the bunch.

Improving with age actually.

I see I said three pics, then missed one...

my friend has this one, look close at the stripe, his name is "Krinkle"

citysnakes · 02-01-10, 11:33 AM

kinks can be genetic and a result of physical trauma. for example, anxious keepers who pop GTPs too early end up damaging the animal and permanently kink it. this can happen to other species aswell. if the kink is known to be genetic then dont breed it but if the kink is the result of a previous injury and the kinked animal is able to breed then one would have to consider the circumstance.

if you breed snakes you better be prepared to have the ability to cull hatchlings when the time arises. not all deformities in hatchlings require that the animal be culled but there may come a time where it is the humane thing to do.

Will0W783 · 02-01-10, 12:16 PM

My male GTP has kinks in his tail, but he is a proven breeder and doesn't seem to have any lasting damage from the kinks. They're right near the end of his tail- I think he was "popped" too early.

Crystal2010 · 02-02-10, 09:36 AM

I was only curious, I felt attacked by the earlier posts...
I saw it on another forum that someone was breeding a snake with a kink and personally felt it was wrong and now that my friend just got a snake that has a kink from unknown where abouts, I wanted to hear what this forum had to say. She was told the kink was from the top dropping down on it. But first how do you know that is true and secondly that to me is just irresoncible ownership.

Good 'N Plenty · 02-02-10, 01:41 PM

Love the pics of the kinks for comparisson with my female rescue bp. From what the people who gave her to me know, the kinks were not there at birth, but 10 years old she is still going strong with no signs of slowing down. Nice to see shes not alone in thriving with kinks!

marvelfreak · 02-02-10, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal2010

I was only curious, I felt attacked by the earlier posts...
I saw it on another forum that someone was breeding a snake with a kink and personally felt it was wrong and now that my friend just got a snake that has a kink from unknown where abouts, I wanted to hear what this forum had to say. She was told the kink was from the top dropping down on it. But first how do you know that is true and secondly that to me is just irresoncible ownership.

Sorry if you felt my post was a attack. Like everone here i am just very passionate my believes.