What python to get?

kthulhu · 09-05-05, 02:04 AM

I've been keeping colubrids for a while now and i have always wanted to branch off into pythons as pets and to also start breeding. I've been looking into womas and was wondering what everyone thought of them as a breeding subject, or if anyone could recomend a better species. Also, if anyone could recomend a breeder that sells really good quality womas or any other pythons what would make good breeding subject, that would be great. Thanx in advance.

Reticsrule · 09-05-05, 06:02 PM

well not many people start out with womas but in my opinion they wouldnt be a bad choice if you can handle their size. i know that they are pretty expensive, at around $1000 for one. you can find them cheaper though. i dont know a lot about them or who breeds them so i cant help you much there. theres always good old ball python morphs for a breeding project. i dont know exactly what your looking for so i dont know what to suggest but good luck with your choice!

thunder · 09-05-05, 08:15 PM

Womas aren't that big, and in my experience, they are docile and easy to care for. Price is the big thing. I've seen them for $750, but they often go for $900.

If you want something cheaper, pythons of the genus Antaresia are very easy to care for, and very small. If you can take care of a corn, you can take care of one of these guys.

improvius · 09-05-05, 10:56 PM

In addition to the other good suggestions, I'd like to add Savu pythons. It was my first snake, and it's been pretty easy for me to keep. I plan to breed them in a couple of years, since I think they make good pets. Also, the wild population has been greatly reduced by the pet trade (they are only found on a single Indonesian island), so IMO any breeders will be reducing the demand for wild ones.

-Imp

Rosy-enthusiast · 09-09-05, 12:22 AM

Well, I have heard Bp's are super easy to breed and they are extremley popular but are over saturating the buyers and are soon to go into a downward spiral but maybe you will be able to get some breeders and get something from it, I like the savu pythons but my favorite is the bredls python. They are also beauties and they cost about $1000 each

kronic2005 · 09-09-05, 01:22 PM

I dont beleive that about ball pythons. but thats just your opinion. anyways, i would suggest a BP, they are fairly easy to care for and pretty easy to breed. Or get into Boas, BCI's are good to start with :thumbsup: ...

JAdkins2451 · 09-09-05, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosy-enthusiast

Well, I have heard Bp's are super easy to breed and they are extremley popular but are over saturating the buyers and are soon to go into a downward spiral but maybe you will be able to get some breeders and get something from it.

I dont know where you are gettin your info, but I dont see the bps market dropping like you said. There is so many variations you can use for morphs.

Also Bps are good starters if you are a patient person remember that bps are notorious for going off feed and "stressing" there owners out. IMO

Jamie

Rosy-enthusiast · 09-09-05, 11:14 PM

Kronic2005 - I personally dont like bps that much so it isnt my opinion.

JAdkins2451 - Im guessing you havent seen normals for about $20-30 US which means the market is getting over saturated because they are so common around the "Reptile Trade" these days and sooner or later the craze is going to be gone and people are gonna be selling these morphs at much lower prices but of course there will be people still keeping them. We will see though.

JAdkins2451 · 09-10-05, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosy-enthusiast

JAdkins2451 - Im guessing you havent seen normals for about $20-30 US which means the market is getting over saturated because they are so common around the "Reptile Trade" these days and sooner or later the craze is going to be gone and people are gonna be selling these morphs at much lower prices but of course there will be people still keeping them. We will see though.

20-30 us for Captive Hatched.. There only that cheap because of all the problems that MAY come with the.. No one sell CBB for 20$.. And as it stands now there is so many new morphs comeing out of the woodworks that I dont see it losing any of it momentium for at least 5-10yrs.. Maybe you will see alittle bit of a price drop in some morphs.. Like Pastels, spiders.. IMO

Jamie

Rosy-enthusiast · 09-10-05, 03:45 PM

I saw the pied ball pythons for $13,000+ US when they first came out . Now they have dropped dramatically to $6500 US in the past 2-3 years. I see that as being over saturated. If you want to be smart with Ball Pythons come with $3000 not counting the caging, etc. Buy some Normal Female babies ($100), 1 male pastel and wait for them to get to adulthood breed the females to the pastel and your in the buisness or you can start from scratch and buy 1 snake at a time, whatever you want to do.

JAdkins2451 · 09-10-05, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosy-enthusiast

I saw the pied ball pythons for $13,000+ US when they first came out . Now they have dropped dramatically to $6500 US in the past 2-3 years. I see that as being over saturated.

Of course they started at that much When they first got imported.. Then when more were produced the price went down.. And I dont see them losing much more value.

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Originally Posted by Rosy-enthusiast

If you want to be smart with Ball Pythons come with $3000 not counting the caging, etc. Buy some Normal Female babies ($100), 1 male pastel and wait for them to get to adulthood breed the females to the pastel and your in the buisness or you can start from scratch and buy 1 snake at a time, whatever you want to do.

I never asked you for advice on how to get into the Ball Python "Game"..

By the time you let the females grow up and produce babys Pastels will not be as expensive. Due to the fact they are Co-Dom.. Where as it will take longer to produce Albinos, Pieds etc

Jamie

BornboreD · 09-10-05, 06:25 PM

I cannot believe that noone has mentioned any of the Carpets.

Carpet pythons (Jungles, Coastals, IJ/WP's) are just as easy if not easier to care for then Balls. Generally, they're alot better feeders as well. Carpets make better display animals, and their active and inquisitive nature allows for a more fulfilling learning experience for an amateur herper.

In the last few years, Carpet breeding has definately been on the way up. With lots of mystery still surrounding the "Jag" mutation, and now new morphs of Jungles and WP's being produced in Europe, there's lots of fun to be had with the Carpet Complex and I'm sure big things to come. Not too mention the principle that would be needed to "go big" with Carpets is just mere chump change in relation to what's needed to get your feet wet in the Ball market right now. Breeding Carpets may not fill your pockets like Balls are doing for some others, but once again their relative low cost opens up a much larger customer base. The large clutches that Carpets have as compared to other popular species can also be looked at as another plus when considering the business side of things.

If you ask me, the Carpet Complex deserves much more respect and interest in the Herp community and pet trade. In fact I think we will see that change for the better over the next couple years.

Colin

Asian Jon · 09-10-05, 06:37 PM

Well said Colin

. I agree with EVERYTHING!

I was reading through briefly and also thought why nobody had mentioned carpets. They are very overlooked snakes.

cristine · 09-12-05, 11:40 PM

Read about whatever snake you are looking to get first.

pollywog · 09-13-05, 03:07 AM

I agree, do some research first, especially full grown sizes and see if that is something you can keep comfortably. I personally recommend a coastal carpet python, as mentioned earlier. They are gentle, inquisitive and active without being flighty. I have jungles, coastals, Irian Jayas, burmese and scrubs, and the carpets are my favorites.