interesting clutch

David Kwok · 07-07-04, 12:55 PM

Dad was a some what baned ball and mom was a reduced patterned ringer pictured below.

<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/202reduced_ringer_eded.jpg">

Anyway they produced these beutiful little babies for me.... all female? talk about law of averages....

<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/202reduced_ringer_babies.jpg">

This is a fun project can't wait to raise these babies up and breed them back to dad.

Dave

dave68 · 07-07-04, 01:00 PM

what is a some what baned ball?

Dave

David Kwok · 07-07-04, 01:02 PM

LOL sorry should read "somewhat banded ball" thats what I get for missing my morning coffee...

Bartman · 07-07-04, 01:28 PM

Is that red hint seen on all new born balls?

Tim_Cranwill · 07-07-04, 01:57 PM

They look cool, Davey-boy!

I guess dad will be busy in a couple years...

Clownfishie · 07-08-04, 11:09 PM

Beautiful babies David!

Reduced/bandeds rock!

By far one of my favourite "morphs"... Congrats.

Jen

Artemis · 07-08-04, 11:32 PM

breed them back to dad? As in inbreeding? I know nothing about reptile breeding, but is this a generally accepted practice?? I know with mammals this is considered a big no no.

All you breeders edumacate me on this.

But congrats on your beautiful clutch definitely!

Art

David Kwok · 07-08-04, 11:53 PM

Thanks everyone, I am very happy with this clutch!!!

Bartman, I think so.... most of that colour goes away after a year or so.

Art: Inbreeding is a technique that some breeders use to bring out certain desired traits in reptiles.

I don't want to start an arguement about the whole subject, IMO inbreeding for a couple generations in ball pythons is not harmful. After a few generations though it is a good idea to diversify the genetics and outcross a bit. Hope this helps.

David

Jamie · 07-09-04, 01:36 AM

Very nice david, got to love all the females. Good luck with the project...it should be a fun one

Jamie

justinO · 07-09-04, 06:27 AM

Artemis: a few (1-2) gens of inbreeding is not a problem with snakes. They inbreed for up to 10 generations with leopard geckos!

Breeding the daughters back to the father (or sons to mother) is how many people prove a morph line.

Then again...... inbreeding in mammals causes mental defects.... maybe that's why some BP's are re-tarded and won't eat! lol

I hope that helped!

And congrats to David, have fun with your new babies!

Jessy

Artemis · 07-09-04, 08:02 AM

Reply lol I didnt mean to sound like I was criticizing. I just wondered if this was something typically done. I imagine that even in the wild there is a certain amount of it that happens. It is good to know there are generally practiced limitations to how many generations will be inbred. I was mostly just curious. Breeding snakes is still some what enigmatic to me, so Im asking lotsa questions.

Stav.T · 07-09-04, 09:42 AM

Congrats David nice babies

Stav

thunder · 07-09-04, 10:35 AM

i don't think that inbreeding up to ten generations is a good idea. for example, true sandfire dragons have often been inbred up to seven generations, and they are very much weaker because of it, with smaller clutches, weaker hatchling less willing to eat and grow. outcrossing is very important after about 3 generations IMO. but breeding the offspring of an interesting male back to him, is common practice and i dont think that it will noticably weaken blood lines. after all, thats how we get all of our morphs!