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10-12-03, 07:52 AM
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Patternless Albino question
I know that the most common Patternless Albinos are the ones from Rainwater/Las Vegas stock, and there are also some Bell Patternless Albinos running around, though not as many. What I'm wondering about is if anyone has yet produced a verifiable Tremper Patternless Albino? The last I heard was that it's supposedly possible (the source quoted Ron Tremper as saying it is), but I've never heard of, nor seen evidence of one. There's also no mention of TPAs on the Tremper website. The closest he's got is orange patternless albinos, which is apparently albino x hypo tang, not the same thing.
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10-12-03, 08:22 AM
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garrick demyer(sp?) has produced them and is selling them for $500 am
Kris
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10-12-03, 10:23 AM
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Hi Dragndrop....there are several verifiable T patternless albinos. SFGeckos, Garrick and a few others have successfully produced them.
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10-12-03, 10:33 AM
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ps.....VMS has an ad on the 'other' site just today with T patternless albinos and related animals for sale if you want to check it out.
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10-12-03, 04:56 PM
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BigDan has also produced some this year 
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10-12-03, 05:03 PM
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Thanks for the replies
I had heard of several that might have been Tremper, but the breeder wasn't too sure. It's more curiosity than anything, but I'd really like to know why the Tremper line is so hard to match up with patternless and also blizzard ( for blazing blizzards).
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10-12-03, 05:33 PM
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Hi Hilde,
Several people have produced them, they just aren't as common yet as the rainwaters -- not sure why the rainwaters seem to be easier to produce, they just do. I know that in Canada, Dan Uremovic has produced them... I'm sure there's a few down in the states too...
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10-12-03, 08:18 PM
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The odds are the same. Probably people tried more with rainwaters than with trempers.
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10-14-03, 06:14 PM
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The reason why there are more Rainwaters PA's out there is that Tim Rainwater had outcrossed many of his orginal Rainwater albinos out to patternless leopards and produced normal colored double hets. He bred these back to the Rainwater albinos to produce more albinos. This is what I have been told anyway.
Down the road many of the Rainwater strain albinos sold were also patternless gene carriers and when people bred them they produced a slough of different color morphs. With the Rainwater strain we sort of received a head start due to many of the Rainwater albinos were also patternless gene carriers.
My original Rainwater albino group produces 6 different color variations. The group consists of a Rainwater albino male and 4 normal colored 100% hets. When I bred them the first year every time I opened the incubator I had something different looking up at me. They produce banded 100% het for albino, banded albinos, patternless 100% het for albino, patternless albinos, jungles 100% het for albino and jungle albinos.
In terms of Tremper PA's we had to go about it from scratch. My group of double hets have yet to produce a Tremper strain Patternless albino. I produced my first Tremper Strain PA from holding back many of my female Tremper albinos which were from my double het group. All these females were albino 66% poss het for patternless and when I bred them to an unrelated Double Het male it only took a few clutches and I hit the right combination. One of the Tremper possible het for patternless females turned out to be a definate het and I had my first Tremper PA. It turned out to be a male and will be bred to a number of my Tremper albino females next year, along with a Tremper giant female.
Due to the odds 1/16 for every egg produced with double hets it takes alot of eggs and alot of luck to produce the double recessive whether it is a PA or a blazing blizzard.
With planning and holding back the right animals you can get the double recessive within 2 breeding seasons generally.
Take care,
Dan
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10-15-03, 04:39 PM
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With planning and holding back the right animals you can get the double recessive within 2 breeding seasons generally.
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Hehe i'm going to try this this year! I'm going to breed my blizzard male to my tremper female and keep a few double hets to breed with a DH male that i'm hoping to get from Dan this spring  .
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