Blizzard babies??

Rebecca · 05-25-03, 12:55 PM

Does anyone one have a pic of a blizzard baby and a pic of a normal baby?? I would like to compare my baby and get an idea as to if it's a blizzard or not. It's my first baby so I'm not sure even what normal phase babies look like!!

Tim and Julie B · 05-25-03, 02:48 PM

I will try to take a pic right now for you

Hope this works!

damzookeeper · 05-25-03, 03:19 PM

Here is a blizzard juvie and a normal.

Blizzard. Although sometimes they are born looking more yellow than white.

Normal. Well, she has a little white in her, they tend to be banded yellow and dark brown/black.

damzookeeper · 05-25-03, 04:54 PM

baha. Tim and Julie, your blizzard looks like he is circling for the kill. lol. Too cute!!

Tim and Julie B · 05-25-03, 08:40 PM

Actually, she was trying to get away from the "regular". I think she's a little vain

lol I was really happy when I got her, as most blizzards I've seen tend to have a fair bit of yellow and cream as juvis, but she's flawless. I've waited a long time to get the exact one I wanted and I'm glad she's finally here

And boy can she eat. She out-eats all the other babies I got recently.

damzookeeper · 05-25-03, 09:45 PM

I wish my girl would have stayed as white as she was as a hatchling. she was completely white and was pure white as snow as a juvie. At about 8-9 months she started darkening up a bit. She still is white sometimes but most of the time she looks like this. Well, not exactly, it's more like a lavender color but hard to see in the pic. Just not as nice as I had hoped, and she is an easily stressed leo although she has gotten much easier to handle in the last few months. She was a terror as a juvie. lol.
Her name is Zippy, and it suites her well.

Tim and Julie B · 05-25-03, 09:51 PM

Hmm, hope my girlie stays white

I know that my black blizzard changes color, especially at night when it's dark. It seems that if you put them in direct light they get lighter and lighter. I had to wait a few minutes before I took the above photo cause she was an ashy grey (she was in her hide and I had to wake her up). I was thinking to myself as I took her out that she was the best behaved leo I've ever had, as far as babies go. The others all "scream" at me and nip. lol

Rebecca · 05-26-03, 12:29 PM

So when blizzards are born they are actually white. I thought they came out with the dark bands and lost them. I think my baby is a pastel, because she has the black bands but it white where there should be yellow. One of my breeders is a pastel so I guess that that's her mom. I knew at first then the eggs got all mixed up, so it's kinda like playing a guessing game!!

damzookeeper · 05-26-03, 09:00 PM

Do you mean like these?

Compaired to this...

I would like to know what the white and black ones are too. Would they be called snows if they keep the white and black marking? or are they pastels? I thought pastels where light but not white. I know that some that are born white and black often change and become more yellow later on. I'm hopping these two don't.
I'm just getting into the different morphs. And actually these two babies came from a cross with a male jungle and a female het blizzard that looks loke a normal. Pretty neat if you ask me.

I also got a jungle with tons of spots at hatching, from a male leucistic and a female blizzard. Can't wait to see what pops out next.

Tim and Julie B · 05-26-03, 11:28 PM

Pastels are geckos of any pattern with what looks like faded colors, almost like they are always about to shed. The pigments of the spots is still usually dark. Regulars are different in that they have light to dark colors but they are sharp colors, vivid I suppose, and do not look faded. It has been my experience that ones born very pale yellow to white keep that faded overall appearance, and are what I consider pastels. However, the exception that many people think is a pastel is the golden phase gecko. In this morph the ground color is a uniform creamy yellow-greyish yellow with all the normal dark pigments, of any pattern. Then there is the Snow, which is any pattern that has a greyish(no yellow) hue and the normal dark pigments in any pattern. They seem to be colored with shades of black and grey and often white.(no yellow or creams should be present).

I hope this clears up a few color questions, it sure helped me when I first started.
Julie

damzookeeper · 05-27-03, 01:55 PM

Thanks Julie. It helps a lot. But I'm still a bit confused as to pastel and snow. lol. My two above are greyish white, would that be snow? I had 2 come out last year that were creamie white and one got a bit darker and the other stayed quite light from what I hear from Kat (who bought them from me) would they be pastels then?
Here are the creamie ones.

compaired to the greyish.

Also would this be considered a golden?

I thought she was a golden because she has a gold tone to her, but I'm not sure what is considered golden now. lol.

And this one came out on the 22nd. I can't wait to see what happens with her. She is so dark with little markings.

I mainly breed for friendly, healthy, good looking leos but knowing what they all are sure would be nice as well. lol.

matt_winter · 05-27-03, 03:01 PM

Very cool pictures everyone. What do the blizzard geckos look like when they are older

damzookeeper · 05-27-03, 03:57 PM

Matt, there is a picture of my blizzard above on the green background. Icky looking and she was super white as a hatchling and juvie, just around 8-9 months she started darkening up and now stays dark most of the time. Most of that could be because she is housed in a custom cage that has black walls. But I still think she is icky. lol. I paid over 200 for her over a year ago. I guess I'm just not a fan of blizzards like I thought I was. She is very hard to handle compaired to any of my other geckos, even the rescues that were never handled. And it's not like I don't try, in vain. lol. She twists and screaches and cracks. I just get scared she is going to hurt her self and give in. lol. And she has gotten much better since she was younger. She sertainly is a little stinker. lol. But even though I'm not crazy over her color and her dispossition, I am still attached. Go figure. lol.

Some blizzards turn out really white as adults and I hear that if they are housed around white alot that they tend to blend in nicely. Not sure if that is true as I have never tried it with my blizzard.

Oh, almost forgot to mention, she is about 14 months old in that pictures. The one where she is in my hand she was about 2 months old.

Here she was about 6 months old. I think it was after that she went in the custom cage and she got darker. She will be going in a rack system in a moth or less, so I will see if she lightens up.

Tim and Julie B · 05-27-03, 06:51 PM

It's quite difficult to determine if a leo is pastel or snow until they are a bit older, around 5-6 months usually. Often a baby is born white and black or greyish-white and black, but develop more of a yellow-cream color as they get older. Those are what I consider pastel, a true snow (to me) stays within the shades of white, grey and black. I think you are right in guessing that the one in the 4th pic is a golden, that is if she has that same color over her entire body as an adult, with dark black spots. If the spots fade and seem dull, she's a pastel.
Pastel-all the colors look faded including the spots
Snow-entirely shades of grey, white, and black
Golden-ground color uniformly "golden", dark spots

Kind of a point form way to remember

I think that the whole thing about the billion colors and patterns is too confusing for the average breeder. I think it would be easier to just say"this one's dark" or "this one's not" hehehe lol