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12-29-15, 12:40 AM
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Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
Tonight's contribution is of my favorite group of lizards--the members of the genus Heloderma. I work with both gila monsters (H. suspectum) and Mexican beaded lizards (H. horridum), but this post is going to focus on the latter. I consider these guys to be the yard dogs of my collection. I usually produce one litter of these each year, and currently have a batch of eggs cooking in the incubator. The incubation period for these eggs is obscenely long--typically around 6-7 months. The hatchlings crawl out of the egg with their guns blazing: they are full of spunk and fire! They usually settle down in their third year or so, and are a bit less likely to huff, puff, and strike at you from then onwards.
The top left and center picture are of my breeder male going for a climb (they are extremely skillful climbers). The other picture are of past offspring that I produced.
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12-29-15, 01:19 AM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
Nnnggg! Beaded and gillas are one of my most desired lizards EVER! I love their blunt, bumpy heads!
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12-29-15, 03:21 AM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
Amazing pics, thanks for sharing! 
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12-29-15, 11:03 AM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
One of my favorite Izard's! I plan on picking one up in a month or so.
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12-29-15, 01:45 PM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
I like these guys too. In your experience, what are the temperament differences between gilas and beadeds? Is one easier to work with than the other?
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12-29-15, 05:06 PM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
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In your experience, what are the temperament differences between gilas and beadeds? Is one easier to work with than the other?
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Both species are feisty as juveniles, and will gape, huff 'n' puff, and bluff strike readily. Both of them are also significantly calmer as adults, although some beaded lizards retain a bit of their attitude into adulthood. Side-by-side, I find them both to be very similar to work with, although I do appreciate the added size of the beaded lizards, which makes the feisty ones easier to work with (more distance to the pointy end).
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12-29-15, 05:15 PM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
So beadeds are bigger than gillas? By about how much?
Also, i understand they are venomous. What is the potency of the venom? Are they 'relatively safe' to free handle?
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12-29-15, 05:42 PM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
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So beadeds are bigger than gillas? By about how much?
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Adult beaded lizards are around 700 mm (27.6") in length, with very large specimens perhaps reaching up to 1,000 mm (39.4"). On the other hand, adult gila monsters are typically in the 350-450 mm (13.8-17.7") neighborhood, with a 550 mm (21.7") specimen being very large for this species.
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Also, i understand they are venomous. What is the potency of the venom? Are they 'relatively safe' to free handle?
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Generally not, but this depends on your definition of free-handling. If you define free-handling as simply handling a venomous reptile bare-handed without the use of tools, then yes, they can handled quite safely in that manner, assuming that you're using the techniques and protocols. If, on the other hand, you define free-handling as to handle them as if they were non-venomous (i.e., as commonly found on the Internet for the purpose of showmanship), then no, that would be quite risky. Helodermatid lizards do everything in life slowly, with the exception of one thing--striking.
The venom is actually quite toxic, and there various accounts of people dying within a few hours after being envenomated, but most them have not been authenticated. The bites are known for causing an excruciating amount of pain, and, unlike venomous snakes, they are not able to control the amount of venom that is delivered.
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12-31-15, 05:38 PM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
Do you think a really thick pair of leather gloves would suffice? I really love these guys but they are outlawed here 
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12-31-15, 07:06 PM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
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Do you think a really thick pair of leather gloves would suffice?
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No, I think if you were to go down that road, you would need some Kevlar gloves. However, the best way is to simply utilize the proper techniques, which will minimize the chance of a bite, even without gloves.
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12-31-15, 07:14 PM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
Always wanted one but dont know how to get.
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12-31-15, 07:24 PM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
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Helodermatids used to rarely be available in Germany, but there are now numerous keepers in the country, so they should be available. If all else fails, you could always try Houten or Hamm.
I recommend getting a well-started juvenile that you can grow with.
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01-01-16, 02:43 AM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
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Originally Posted by Nightflight99
Helodermatids used to rarely be available in Germany, but there are now numerous keepers in the country, so they should be available. If all else fails, you could always try Houten or Hamm.
I recommend getting a well-started juvenile that you can grow with.
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Since you are more active in the topic, do you know a good breeder in germany? I prefer the horridum species.
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01-01-16, 07:33 AM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
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Since you are more active in the topic, do you know a good breeder in germany? I prefer the horridum species.
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Not off the top of my head, but I will keep my eyes and ears open. How soon are you looking to buy?
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01-01-16, 07:49 AM
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Re: Mexican Beaded Lizard (Heloderma horridum)
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Not off the top of my head, but I will keep my eyes and ears open. How soon are you looking to buy?
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one or two years in the future. so it has time.
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