Organic feeder mice?

[cagedbirdsingin]

I tried to make this post earlier, but I guess it didn't work.

I'm getting my first snake in about three months and I'm getting all of my supplies together!

You are what you eat, right?

I keep pet rats and actually run my own business making and selling premium organic diets for pet rodents. I like being able to control what goes into my animals and removing the things that shouldn't be there like unnatural ingredients, additives, and the dreaded GMO.

I don't want these things going into my future snake, either. I was wondering if anyone sells feeders raised "organically". It makes sense to me, though I can see how it wouldn't to many others.

Of course, this is something that I could do myself with my own organic diet, but I was just wondering if there is anyone out there that uses these practices to make sure that their snakes get the best food possible. I don't want GMO in any of my pets.

[Terranaut]

Unless you grow your own food from seeds produced by the last batch and meat that only eats from your farm, you eat gmo. My rat supplier uses a quality/premium food but I doubt it's 100% organic or certified gmo free. I don't ensure my dogs food is gmo free organic but I do feed her the best food available. So I don't see myself ever considering anything other than my current choice.

[KORBIN5895]

I have never seen mice labeled as organic. What is gmo?

[Starbuck]

from a cost perspective, i am unwilling to pay much more than i already am for frozen feeders (about 1$/mouse, cheaper at an expo). Unless your organic mice were at the same price point, i probably wouldn't consider it.

[Hannibalcanibal]

GMO? what is wrong with a gmo? You know they are not toxic, and if grown right can be organic.... right?

That aside, Unless you plan on growing the rodents on your own organic diet and doing everything yourself, for ONE snake, i doubt that you are going to get anywhere.

Also, snakes have been in captivity eating frozen mice prepared in the exact same way for god knows how long, so i doubt that it would do any harm... trust me, if there was something wrong with frozen mice, a lot of the VERY knowledgeable people on here would not feed them, except some do feed live, which is an equally valid choice, although they usually have the same diet as the mass-produced frozen ones.

It's up to you, but if you do decide to breed your own, be warned that you will have way too many way too fast, and will need to sell a lot of them..... and kill them yourself, which may be hard for you since you own pet rats.

[Starbuck]

Korbin; genetically modified organism or its products.

[KORBIN5895]

Korbin; genetically modified organism or its products.

Aren't most grains genetically modified now?

[Hannibalcanibal]

Jeebus, a lot of pets are now, too- look on the internet or even a local pet shop, and you will find gmo axies, fish, and other things.....

[Starbuck]

Korbin, virtually all :P Depending on your definition of genetically modified... so are most of our dogs, cats, fish, snakes (corn and ball morphs!!!!!).... I think the OP probably means grains etc which are carrying genes from other species in order to boost pesticide/pest resistance, production, hardiness, etc.
Like Terranaut said, unless you are growing your seeds generation to generation, they are GMO.

[erichillkeast]

Korbin, virtually all :P Depending on your definition of genetically modified... so are most of our dogs, cats, fish, snakes (corn and ball morphs!!!!!).... I think the OP probably means grains etc which are carrying genes from other species in order to boost pesticide/pest resistance, production, hardiness, etc.
Like Terranaut said, unless you are growing your seeds generation to generation, they are GMO.

Genetically modified dogs, cats fish and snakes??? Where did you get that from?

[Hannibalcanibal]

There is a massive difference between selectively bred (dog, cat, fish, etc), to genetically modified... and unless it's modded to make a pesticide, (which is not done in most parts of the world, and it is not something you will be able to find), it is O.K. GMO's can be organic, and organic can be GMO.

[mykee]

Why do people constantly feel the need to reinvent the wheel?
I use Mazuri, always will. It's magnificent and whether it is organic or GMO, I could frankly care less; it is a premium food that gives the rodents optimal nutrition. I feel 99% of breeders feel the same as I do.
Good luck though...

[KORBIN5895]

Why do people constantly feel the need to reinvent the wheel?
I use Mazuri, always will. It's magnificent and whether it is organic or GMO, I could frankly care less; it is a premium food that gives the rodents optimal nutrition. I feel 99% of breeders feel the same as I do.
Good luck though...

Couldn't.....

[cagedbirdsingin]

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

[Terranaut]

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

Seriously?? People took the time to answer your question in depth and correctly and you think "no" would have been better?
Maybe "thanks glad I didn't waste my time/effort on this " would have sufficed.

[smy_749]

Seriously?? People took the time to answer your question in depth and correctly and you think "no" would have been better?
Maybe "thanks glad I didn't waste my time/effort on this " would have sufficed.

This is a forum, I know you didn't expect a long list of just "yes" or "no" answers. You can't even type just yes or no, its too short. And what good is a yes or a no without reasoning behind it?

[MDT]

ok...maybe i'm just dumb..but a "genetically modified organism"...like a chicken bred to to have more breast meat? or actually inserting DNA into the organism to alter it? and if it's the latter, where are the toxins? i get actually applying a toxin (pesticide) to the organism (corn), but genetically making the corn produce more corn? i'm not seeing the down side...educate me

[smy_749]

ok...maybe i'm just dumb..but a "genetically modified organism"...like a chicken bred to to have more breast meat? or actually inserting DNA into the organism to alter it? and if it's the latter, where are the toxins? i get actually applying a toxin (pesticide) to the organism (corn), but genetically making the corn produce more corn? i'm not seeing the down side...educate me

I think what the original poster was referring too is foreign substances like fertilizers, and stuff that shouldn't be inside of animals (foreign substances).

However, technically, selective breeding also modifies the gene pool, and it can be done without the use of inserting DNA or anything. Just takes a long time.

breeding corn over thousands of generations through selective breeding of the specimens which show the desirable trait, I also don't see any harm in that either...

[drewkore]

I actually expected much harsher criticism of the OP! I feel a little let down.

[Terranaut]

I actually expected much harsher criticism of the OP! I feel a little let down.

I had to take a couple breaths before posting.

[KORBIN5895]

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

Okay then.... no.

[CarissaREVV]

You gotta know people will go into full detail about what they think. Most of the time it an be very help full and give you plenty of knowledge. If you want organic feeder mice buy some mice from the pet store feed organic only based door breed the mice do the same for their babies when try grow up they will be organically raised so then feed the snake how you see fit weather it be frozen mice or live feed depending on what your snake responds to or what you feel comfortable with.

[mykee]

Sorry, next time (lol, like there will be a next time...) I'll simply type yes, or no. And if I offended you, I apologize. Glad I didn't post what I really thought:
"What a stoopid idea".

[24Homies&azebra]

I tried to make this post earlier, but I guess it didn't work.

I'm getting my first snake in about three months and I'm getting all of my supplies together!

You are what you eat, right?

I keep pet rats and actually run my own business making and selling premium organic diets for pet rodents. I like being able to control what goes into my animals and removing the things that shouldn't be there like unnatural ingredients, additives, and the dreaded GMO.

I don't want these things going into my future snake, either. I was wondering if anyone sells feeders raised "organically". It makes sense to me, though I can see how it wouldn't to many others.

Of course, this is something that I could do myself with my own organic diet, but I was just wondering if there is anyone out there that uses these practices to make sure that their snakes get the best food possible. I don't want GMO in any of my pets.TO answer your question nicely, the answer is most likely no, unless you make foods yourself or can verify though places that are GMO free since roughly 80% of processed food is GMO because America is ridiculously fond of throwing ethics and public safety out of the window when it affects the bottom line.

[Zoo Nanny]

ok...maybe i'm just dumb..but a "genetically modified organism"...like a chicken bred to to have more breast meat? or actually inserting DNA into the organism to alter it? and if it's the latter, where are the toxins? i get actually applying a toxin (pesticide) to the organism (corn), but genetically making the corn produce more corn? i'm not seeing the down side...educate me
There are a number of controversial studies going on in regards to the use of GMOs specifically the bt-corn. I'm not sure how I personally feel about the use of GMOs for our food consumption at this point. If the GMOs just increased crop size I don't see a problem but with the BT inclusion for pesticide that I find scarey. Until there are further scientific studies done I don't think we will truely know. The impact on rodent feed is the possible sterilization of the rodents. Also how will this in the long term feeding rodents to herps effect them. Is there a risk of sterilization to them also. What I do find concerning is the number of countries currently banning or restricting the use of GMOs after having done their own studies/research. It's difficult to find non-biased articles. Here is one biased article that explains some of the controversy regarding the pesticide use.
Genetically Engineered Corn May Cause Allergies, Infertility, and Disease : Nutrition News and Notes (http://www.againstthegrainnutrition.com/newsandnotes/2009/04/14/genetically-engineered-corn-may-cause-allergies-infertility-and-disease/)

[RandyRhoads]

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[DeadlyDesires]

i always feed my breeding rats gerbil food... they seem to love it, dunno if thats ok or not.