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stormyva
01-31-03, 09:51 AM
This could have gone in the snake forums but it could have gone in a bunch of them so I will just post it here......
Are you ready for a “big snake”?



That is the question that you will need to ask yourself before you go and purchase many of the boids, pythons and boas, that are readily available in pet shops. Many of the snakes are sold to people that don’t know what they are getting themselves into and the snake ends up being neglected or dead because the buyer isn’t into snakes anymore or never researched to find out how to take care of the snake. If the snake is lucky, the owner may have taken it into a rescue facility where the snake may end up being euthanized or, hopefully, put up for adoption.



Here are a few questions that might change your mind about making the “big” purchase:



Q: Do you know what it takes to handle a snake that is 10’ or longer?

Before a large boid is purchased, handle one that is of at least adult size and get a feel for what you are getting your self into. A common boa can get to be anywhere from 7’ to 12’ as an adult. Reticulated Pythons, Burmese Pythons, and Anacondas have the potential of getting much bigger than that! Even a “little” snake like a 6’ Boa has more strength than a lot of people realize. Large snake should only be handled by two or more people, as they can very quickly over power even an adult.



Q: Are you ready to make a commitment of 20-30 years to an animal that is not going to meet you at your door when you get home or play fetch?

Most boids will live 20 years or longer if they are cared for properly.



Q: Do you have enough room in your home to house a cage that is 5’ wide x 2’ deep or larger?

Using the minimum requirements for a snake of 1 square foot of cage space per foot of snake an adult boa at 8’ is going to need 8 square feet of cage space. A cage for that cute little Burmese as an adult is going to take a minimum of 6’ x 3’, 18 square feet, of your precious floor or storage space.



Q: Are you ready to make the monetary investment required to feed and maintain the snake for it’s entire life?

Properly caring for any reptile can get expensive, but large boids are going to have special needs. Feeding alone can get very expensive, a 6’ Boa Constrictor is going to eat, at a minimum, a jumbo adult rat that will cost approximately $5.00 for a frozen one at the local pet store. That $5.00 every 10 to 14 days can start to add up. Caging is going to be another concern, when that cute little Burmese Python hits 16’ it is going to need a minimum of 16 SF of floor space. Add to the feeding and caging the costs of: veterinary care (minimum $30 to $35 for a quick check up), medications if needed, thermometers, hygrometers, heat lamps ($5.00 to $8.00 each), special bulbs ($5.00-$8.00), substrate, mite treatment, water bowls, cage decorations, the additional electric bill for cage heating, the list goes on and on. Reptiles in general are not as cheap to keep as many would think!



Q: Can you handle looking at, handling, or even killing, mice, rats, guinea pigs, or even small pigs?

Some of the items that you are going to have to feed your snake were once those cute little fuzzy things that people kept as pets. Now they are probably dead and frozen, or you may have to do the killing yourself. For the benefit of your snake you need to feed it frozen/thawed food or at least freshly killed prey items. (Frozen/Thawed is a prey item that has been “put to sleep” most commonly by CO2 gas then packaged and frozen.) Frozen/Thawed is by far the safest way to feed the snake as a live prey item can kill the snake in no time at all. In the rare event that the snake will not eat frozen/thawed putting a cute, fuzzy mouse or rat in a pillow case and whacking it on the wall to stun it is not exactly a pleasant thing to do.



Q: Have you researched and do you understand the husbandry requirements for the snake?

Every type of snake is going to have specific care requirements. You will need to know what your snake needs to thrive. Temperatures and humidity levels are different for different snakes, some types of substrate are good for one snake and not others, some cages are easier to maintain the husbandry requirements than others. DO YOUR RESEARCH and know what your snakes needs are BEFORE you buy the snake! The information is readily available on the internet, the forum in which you are reading this, books, magazines, ask questions, and talk to friends. There is no excuse not to know the needs of your snake.



The above questions and comments may sound like I am trying to dissuade you from buying a snake. I am not, but I do want you as a potential snake owner to understand that there is a lot more to owning a large snake than just tossing it in a cage and letting it be! Something to consider before buying from a pet store or breeder is adoption. There are many snakes that are available for adoption at little or no cost from rescue facilities. These facilities do not have an endless supply of funds or unlimited space so please consider it as an option to buying. Snakes and reptiles can and do make great pets but be responsible, do your research, and think long and hard about the commitment that you are making!

asphyxia
01-31-03, 09:56 AM
Excellent post my friend

Brian

Lizzy001
01-31-03, 10:17 AM
great info!!

Lizzy xxx

Tim_Cranwill
01-31-03, 10:50 AM
Very good post. I wish more people thought like that.:)

ReptileHQ
01-31-03, 10:53 AM
Excellent post...to add, my friend has a 24 foot Retic, she's at least the width of a telephone pole, at this size they stop looking at you as a threat and more as a food item.

His retic hits a jumbo rabbit like a freight train(the force of this has to be witnessed to be believed) and slurps them up in seconds. A person would stand no chance. I don't think 5 people could pull this snake off if it had someone coiled. It is a dangerous, dangerous animal.

A retic of this size is no different than keeping a black mamba, or an adult nile croc. These are people killers, and only the most experienced, with the room and ability to keep and handle such animals should even consider owning them.

I used to hate the by-law, but now I understand why it's in place.
--
Chris

Linds
01-31-03, 11:45 AM
Excellent post, stormyva! :thumbsup:

Chris,
Think you'd need at least 20 people to pull one of those off...lol :p 6 full grown men haven't been able to pry a 10' burm off someone in the past :eek:


It's really frightening to see the power of these animals taken for granted so often (or at all for that matter). I cringe whenever I see people wearing these animals around their necks. Even if they could be dropped before they could suffocate, they could still break that persons neck instantly :eek:

Big Mike
01-31-03, 11:48 AM
Great post...that should be posted in any pet store that sells snakes.

Lisa
01-31-03, 12:42 PM
Another thing to ask your self, since you're going to have a two person snake are you going to be with some one for the 30 years you're going to have the snake?

Dino
01-31-03, 01:06 PM
Two thumbs up!

Great post :) :) :)

Pythonian
01-31-03, 02:47 PM
That is an excellent post! one of the best i've seen in a while! Most people don't realize "I have a 14 foot burm... well at least it's not poisonous.." they don't understand if you got within 2 feet of a cobra it will hit you... if you get within 4 feet of a 14' burm. it could kill you before you had time to open your mouth to scream. Many people here are going to disagree with me . But i feel that you should need to attend classes and aquire a license to own a snake that will on average grow over 10 feet. Kids around here go with their $80 .. $100 and get a baby burm yea it's cute and about the size of a ball python.. but that snake will eat your young... Sorry i'm going crazy. I just can't stand it.
Linds is right the other day i was driving down US1 a large highway here in america. On the side of the road at a gas station i saw a SMALL guy .. he was tall about 6' but weighed about 110.. and he had this HUGE burm around his neck .. went from one ankle to his other knee after circling his shoulders. I was sickened. With the noise of the cars, and the stress of being outside that snake is probably freaking out. If he has the balls to do that, he would have the balls to play tag with a gabby. I promise.. one more rant and i'm done.
Also, Pet stores NEED to take responsibility. That shouldn't NEED to, but they do. Right now i can go into a local shop and get a retic for around $150. There is NO WAY i can care for that snake in a few years. The pet shop owner doesn't even ask. They always say "cash or credit?" not "do you realize this snake will be able to over power you in a few years?!" it isn't their responsibility technically. But take some pride in your animals. You wouldn't give a dalmation to cruella deville why would you give a snake that has the potential to get 20' to a 12 year old holding a 10 gallon tank ... GOD I HATE PEOPLE.... alright man .. i'm done..

Mike

Tim_Cranwill
01-31-03, 02:56 PM
Good point Pythonian. I think that some sort of "licencing" should be required will almost any pet. But anyway, some very valid points in this thread so far. :)

marisa
01-31-03, 03:12 PM
Agree. It really irks me when you see people with breeding groups of these animals which is fine because they know the proper methods, but then they sell the young off to whoever responds to their ads. Letting 30 burmese or reticulated pythons go "out into the world" through internet ads really bothers me.

IMHO
Marisa

RachelS.
01-31-03, 05:30 PM
Great post!! That really gets down to what people really need to think about before getting a large boid. Excellent!!!

J.J.
01-31-03, 07:29 PM
Wow, Great Post! I passed because I did all that stuff b4 I got my boa! :D Including having experience with an adult boa..
<<Tickles

JasonBrennan
01-31-03, 10:07 PM
Did you write that post, or did Melissa Kaplan write it?

Linds
01-31-03, 10:32 PM
Not all employees of stores are so about the money that they are careless with the animals. My bosses and myself all turn away customers (within reason). I know I've turned away customers before because they didn't have the experience for the animal they wanted, etc. I also tell them everything possible about what they are interested, and try to steer them towards something that better suits their needs. I think I go off on rants, etc quite often at work...lol :p

stormyva
02-01-03, 08:25 AM
I wrote it :)
I started looking for a BCI several months ago and the more I researched the more I started to sway towards adopting. It was amazing to me how many large boids were out there in rescue. With very few exceptions, they were all Burms, Retics, and BCI's. I started checking all of the rescue facilities in my region, looking at petfinder.org and other resources and started to get really upset. It was amazing how many of these snakes, and many reptiles in general, get neglected because people dont realize what is entailed in properly caring for a reptile. I was asked to moderate some forums on a new site that is going to be opened up the the public in the next couple of weeks and I decided to write and post it on the new site. In hopes that a few potential snake owners may be swayed from jumping into something that they will regret a couple of years down the road. When I completed the article I decided to post it at all of the sites that I frequent hoping that more potential newbies will read it.

moosehead
02-01-03, 08:08 PM
A great post,we all should all think long and hard before getting any snake & or pet.I have had my 2 dogs for 7.5 years ,I hope to have them for 7.5 more ,but it is a long time to care for them.If you are not prepared to put in 15 or 20 years ,you should not get that cute little baby in the window.

Them and Us
02-02-03, 12:03 AM
maybe Jeff if you read this or if someone ask Jeff he could inlude it as a part of the caresheet section or possibly in the beginnings of each of the caresheets .

stormyva
02-03-03, 06:29 AM
Feel free to use the "article" where ever..... post in a pet shop.... put on a care sheet.

JasonBrennan
02-03-03, 05:34 PM
Just sounded very much like an ariticle I read by Melissa Craplan is all. Not trying to insinuate (sp?) anything at all. Just sounded familar.

Nanashi04
02-04-03, 01:04 PM
Great post. ^^ very informative.

Zoe
02-04-03, 01:11 PM
Doesn't matter who wrote it (though they should be given credit) but that is a very good post!! I hope everyone reads it.

I'd like to ad that an 18ft burm need a lot more than a 6x3 cage, the snake would have to be doubled over 3 times to fit in it. The rule I use is at least the length of the cage should be 3/4s the length of the animal, and the width should be 2/3s.