Imperial Hybrid - Cali King x Pueblan Milk !

[Zincubus]

Just had to share a pic of my new acquisition .



It probably isn't to everyone's taste but I've wanted this little beauty from the moment I saw it ( about 7 months ago ) .

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Zincubus/Jose2ImperialPeublan_zpseacac121.jpg

[RyanReptile]

That looks amazing!

[Hurrok]

Very unique and quite stunning!

As soon as I laid eyes on him I would have gotten him too :D Do you have a name for him?

[Zincubus]

Very unique and quite stunning!

As soon as I laid eyes on him I would have gotten him too :D Do you have a name for him?

Funnily enough I haven't named any of my snakes until NOW !

I've called him "Jose" after the "Special One ". :)

[NCHornet]

Very Unique, I can see why you had to have it.

[Zincubus]

Very Unique, I can see why you had to have it.

Thanks so much :)

[bcr229]

Wow! He almost looked photoshopped.

I have a high white Cali King and a Pueblan milk snake, but it would never occur to me to attempt that kind of a cross.

[Zincubus]

Wow! He almost looked photoshopped.

I have a high white Cali King and a Pueblan milk snake, but it would never occur to me to attempt that kind of a cross.

He's even nicer in he flesh :)

Just shed this morning and looks amazing , he's only about 13" at the moment , just can't wait for him to start putting on some size :)

[Zincubus]

Contemplating what kind and colour of female to get for him ....looking forward a couple of years ...

[smy_749]

I'm not big on morphs at all, and really not big on hybrids, however, that is a very pretty looking snake (looks like a child colored him with yellow and orange crayons, very cool).

Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't have experience with hybrids, but aren't most if not all of them infertile?

[Starbuck]

SMY, it depends on the speciesin question. most falcon hybrids (even those like kestrel-peregrine crosses) are fertile, and you can in turn breed them with a gyr or saker falcon. This is accomplished mainly via imprinted birds and artificial insemination.
In most mammals, like lion-tiger and horse-donkey, the majority of offspring are infertile. This is due to differing numbers of chromosomes, where the offspring has X number of chromosomes from the mother and Y number from the father, so it actually has an odd number of [airs rather than an equal set of both. THIS IS ONLY THE CASE IN MAMMALS (as far as i know), but could be the case in reptiles as well? :P

[Zincubus]

I'm not big on morphs at all, and really not big on hybrids, however, that is a very pretty looking snake (looks like a child colored him with yellow and orange crayons, very cool).

Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't have experience with hybrids, but aren't most if not all of them infertile?

Hi . Thanks for the nice comments :)
As to fertility , I can only speak for this hybrid but it is indeed expected / predicted to be 100% fertile . In fact I'm hoping to get a similarly ( may be impossible ) stunning female off the same breeder in the coming months .
I've also already got an amazing female Avalanche Corn snake as a future breeding partner . Any offspring from those two will be part Cali King snake part Pueblan Milksnake and part Corn snake presumably . She's 99% white , with some very , very slight grey shaded saddles and the whitest Corn snake I've ever seen including online pix . Should be pretty babies :)

[smy_749]

3 way crosses are possible as well? My mind is blown.

[Zincubus]

3 way crosses are possible as well? My mind is blown.

I really don't know tbh .... seems feasable and she is a simply gorgious looking snake ....I will do some research .

[Valvaren]

Actually there has been confirmed reports of pregnant mules and them actually having the baby, its a very very small odd but it does happen, I believe theres been atleast 2 dna confirmed reports in the last few years.

Edit : Also didn't realize you said 'in the majority" sorry Star, i'm reading to fast!

Sorry to hijack just wanted to point this out.

[Starbuck]

3 ways are possible; I know a falcon which is 50% Gyr, 25% saker, and 25% peregrine. The whole lmapropeltis group (kings, milks, corns) are so closely related that i can't imagine it wouldnt work, though it might be tricky to predict what the offspring will look like. Best of luck.

[Zincubus]

3 ways are possible; I know a falcon which is 50% Gyr, 25% saker, and 25% peregrine. The whole lmapropeltis group (kings, milks, corns) are so closely related that i can't imagine it wouldnt work, though it might be tricky to predict what the offspring will look like. Best of luck.

Thanks , your reasoning mirrors mine :)

I just thought that putting this little beauty with the most brilliant white Avalanche corn snake I've ever seen COULDN'T go wrong !??

[Starbuck]

I'm aware, Valvaren. My university actually has a whole herd of horses, mules, donkeys, and hinnys, and studies the genetics of their reproduction lol. The mules/hinnys are only able to get pregnant when there is ALREADY a chromosomal mutation in either the parents sperm or egg, causing a matching number of chromosomes in the zygote.
Im not sure how it works when the mule/hinny is the father; i.e. im not sure how the many chromosomes the sperm has, and if it is variable or not?

To bring it back to reptiles: Im not sure how many chromosomes there are in kings vs. corns vs. milks, but i imagine there isnt a difference so it would be entirely possible for them all to cross.

[smy_749]

Thanks , your reasoning mirrors mine :)

I just thought that putting this little beauty with the most brilliant white Avalanche corn snake I've ever seen COULDN'T go wrong !??

Unless he eats her.

[Jules1618]

I think we all need more photos of him

[Zincubus]

Unless he eats her.

They will be well chaperoned :)

[Zincubus]

I think we all need more photos of him

I only have one other decent one of him , I'll try and get that one up and then try and get some new ones done ...