View Full Version : Carpet it is. Breeder list?
TheSuppishOne
03-19-13, 06:24 PM
So I'm sold now on the carpets. Too many people are saying they're a better fit for me, and those high yellows are actually quite pretty.
So let's get down to brass tacks. Can somebody give me a list of reputable breeders so I can start contacting them?? =]
cossiecraig
03-19-13, 07:33 PM
Perhaps i missed a thread or 3 here........but what do you feel you want and could live with for the next 20 or so yrs ?
again if i missed something apologies and i'll mind me own........lol ;)
Terranaut
03-19-13, 07:49 PM
How much are you willing to spend? I will find you the perfect carpet in your area. Kerry King is local to you. I will find you a link.
wdissident
03-19-13, 08:38 PM
Kerry King from slayer? lol i saw him at the pomona convention
stephanbakir
03-19-13, 09:39 PM
He has some stunning carpets.
TheSuppishOne
03-19-13, 10:33 PM
Trying to keep it under $300. I don't need a designer snake, just a pretty one. I'm thinking male since they're smaller overall.
Rogue628
03-19-13, 10:52 PM
With a carpet, I don't think it would really matter much when it comes to size. With them being a leaner animal you should be able to handle a female on your own with good handling techniques. So don't let the size difference be a huge factor unless you're factoring in the possibility of needing a larger enclosure for a female. Also, the longer you have the animal, the more used to the size you'll get so you kind of grow with each other.
It's not as if you're getting a fast growing animal like a burm or retic that will grow anywhere between 6' (burm males) and 10' (retic females) plus in the first year. ;)
TheSuppishOne
03-20-13, 01:30 AM
Has anybody heard of Inland Reptiles? They have a nice site and reasonable prices. =]
HoldenC
03-20-13, 03:26 AM
You might want to check the Carpet classifieds on kingsnake.com. Not all the listings are from breeders, or reputable people for that matter, but it's nice to have a variety of sources.
Kingsnake.com Classifieds > Carpet and Diamond Python Classifieds (http://market.kingsnake.com/index.php?cat=92)
KORBIN5895
03-20-13, 04:30 AM
Go to the board of inquiry and check anyone you are looking to buy from.
Jules1618
03-20-13, 05:59 AM
Congrats on the decision, keep us posted.
Has anybody heard of Inland Reptiles? They have a nice site and reasonable prices. =]
Nick mutton (inland reptiles) has an excellent reputation and is the only breeder i am aware of with a reputable and published book on carpets. Do you know what kind of carptet you want? If you want something small, research irian jayas. I bought my irian jaya jag from "gecko daddy" on kingnsake.com and was very pleased with the animal, process, price, and experience.
pdomensis
03-20-13, 07:12 AM
Inland Reptiles is Nick Mutton's site; he's one of the best in my opinion. Another good one is Justin Julander from Australian Addiction. Carpets are awesome, really fun but easy snakes. Enjoy!
TheSuppishOne
03-20-13, 09:52 AM
Yeah, I've spent the last hour trying to find some IJ Jags. Again, I really like the high yellows. =P
I'll have spent $800 before I even realize it, huh...?
Terranaut
03-20-13, 10:18 AM
Ij jags are nice indeed. I went on kingsnake classifieds and there are many carpets for sale. But living in Cali I would contact Kerry King. His stuff us fantastic. Just my opinion though. Do as you like ;)
TheSuppishOne
03-20-13, 12:02 PM
Gecko Daddy's IJ Jags are absolutely beautiful and perfect and I want one... and all sold out. ERGH.
Now we play the waiting game. I do so hate the waiting game. =P
As both of their names have been mentioned I thought you may want to know that this is available and quite a good book
http://www.herpbooks.com.au/cms/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/The_Complete_Car_4e8179337e53e.jpg
Gecko Daddy's IJ Jags are absolutely beautiful and perfect and I want one... and all sold out. ERGH.
Now we play the waiting game. I do so hate the waiting game. =P
http://s57.photobucket.com/user/diehardislanders/media/IMAG0765.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3
IMAG0760.jpg Photo by diehardislanders | Photobucket (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/diehardislanders/media/IMAG0760.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5)
IMAG0723.jpg Photo by diehardislanders | Photobucket (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/diehardislanders/media/IMAG0723.jpg.html?sort=3&o=7)
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These are some pics from my baby IJ Jag from Gecko Daddy (Chris). He is having another clutch soon I think. His email is geckodaddy@gmail.com if you want to ask him any questions directly. My experience with him was very good, and he was so easy to work with.
pdomensis
03-20-13, 02:35 PM
Digging the banzai looking stuff in the cage. Gives me ideas.
TheSuppishOne
03-20-13, 03:29 PM
Yes, I emailed him already. He seems like an awesome and a half person, so I definitely wanted to buy from him. Until he told me that he sold the sire of those jags...
And that his next clutch wouldn't be available until next year.
And my heart sank.
='[
TheSuppishOne
03-20-13, 03:52 PM
Also, since you have one...
I've been reading a lot about Jaguar carpets having "head wobble". What is this, and does it only apply to Jungle Jags/IJ Jags/Coastal Jags, or is it any-and-all Jags?
Terranaut
03-20-13, 04:23 PM
If I remember correctly its about 6% of jags exibit head wobble to cork screwing. Most jag breeders will not sell any that show issues like this. The jag gene is fatal super gene so if you breed a jag to a jag any of the super jags will have enough of a genetic defect to cause them to die or maybe not even hatch at all. Some people even have issues with the breeding of jags based on the above. I am not one and my breeding plan includes producing 94% jungle jags with my jag male. If you buy from the breaders mentioned wobble should not be an issue.
Also, since you have one...
I've been reading a lot about Jaguar carpets having "head wobble". What is this, and does it only apply to Jungle Jags/IJ Jags/Coastal Jags, or is it any-and-all Jags?
Exactly what was stated above. My girl shows no wobble at all as of right now. I say as of right now, because Jags can be fine normal snakes, then all of a sudden one day they show some head problems. The reason it is imperative to go through a reputable breeder is because when breeding a jag, you need to stay as far away from the bloodline as possible. Too many people will breed a Jag to a Jag sib of the same genetics and that seems to accentuate the "wobble" and problems.
Also, note that the jaguar gene does not exist in Irian Jaya Carpet Pythons. Any IJ Jag, received the jag gene from a jungle carpet. Its important to know, because when you go to a herp expo, most of the IJ Jags you will find are 50% IJ or a similiar low percentage. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but if you want a specific breed of snake, you can find more "purified" ones. For instance, the girl I pictured is 93.75% IJ. I am working on breeding her to a pure IJ to make 96.8% IJ Jags. Just something to be aware of when purchasing.
Good luck on whatever you decide and dont forget to post up pics lol.
Terranaut
03-20-13, 07:09 PM
Actually the jag gene originates from coastals so any non coastal jag is not a pute locality. Thus mine will be 94% jungle jags and not 100% jungle jags. 100% is not possible.
Actually the jag gene originates from coastals so any non coastal jag is not a pute locality. Thus mine will be 94% jungle jags and not 100% jungle jags. 100% is not possible.
Thanks for the correction. I thought jungles had their own jag. Are there any natural morphs for jungles?
Freebody
03-20-13, 08:13 PM
Thanks for the correction. I thought jungles had their own jag. Are there any natural morphs for jungles?
yes the Zebra morph is the 1st and only.
Terranaut
03-20-13, 08:26 PM
Also I have read you need jungle in the mix for Ocelot jags but Zebra is the first jcp originated morph
red ink
03-20-13, 09:31 PM
Thanks for the correction. I thought jungles had their own jag. Are there any natural morphs for jungles?
Zebra
Striped
Axanthic
Ivory
Hypermelanism (new and only in Europe)
Then you have the myriad of locality variants...
Freebody
03-20-13, 09:53 PM
Zebra
Striped
Axanthic
Ivory
Hypermelanism (new and only in Europe)
Then you have the myriad of locality variants...
very cool, didn't realize there was so many :) those hyposmelanism looks really cool, resembles a paradox type of look, im looking forward to them being on my side of the water lol
red ink
03-20-13, 10:49 PM
very cool, didn't realize there was so many :) those hyposmelanism looks really cool, resembles a paradox type of look, im looking forward to them being on my side of the water lol
All pure M. s. cheynei (not mine or my pics but from people I know)
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/33e8f7f7.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/38bdb096.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/627f30b5.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/e50a26bd.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/untitled7.jpg
A wild one I came across last year... another different looking jungle
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/TinarooJCP4.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/TinarooJCP1.jpg
TheSuppishOne
03-20-13, 11:50 PM
Would any of you purchase a young snake that already exhibits wobble?
I have corresponded with a person in Glendale (about 30 miles from me) who has a very pretty female IJ Jag. But according to him, she and her brother both display a slight wobble already. They were hatched in the past 12 months...
Is this such a serious issue that I should just walk away right now? Or might she be worth pursuing...?
pdomensis
03-21-13, 07:22 AM
I personally wouldn't purchase a snake that had a wobble. But then I also don't understand why anyone would want a snake with an inferior gene pool just because it had pretty colors. I prefer wildtypes (normals) over morphs. Evolution has produced some real beauties, and when I keep an animal I want everything to be as natural as possible, not just a pretty snake. Just my opinion. I hope you find the animal that suits you best!
Terranaut
03-21-13, 07:44 AM
I would pass on a snake showing these signs unless it was free. Some will get a little wierd when stressed so I would maybe consider it if I could check it out in person but shipped..nope.
Freebody
03-21-13, 12:11 PM
I purchased a jag 66% albino with a little wobbly going on just because they are so rare and to get into the albino scene I guess atm you have not got much choice. the wobble head can stay the same and like already stated can get aot worse as they mature, if it was not het albino I would have walked away to be honest, I had a jag years ago I got as an adult and it had really bad head wobble, would corkscrew right up during handling and feeding and I never felt at all safe with that snake, I only hook handled that one after getting tagged a few time, I realize its not his fault as it is prett much mentally ********, so for the average jag, yes I would never do it again. As far as the hypo caprets is that the same as the caramel carpets, they are the same thing on paper, just curious if that what they call them on the other side of the water?
Freebody
03-21-13, 02:35 PM
just wanted to add, even know a jag has wobble head, I know of people breeding really cork screwed jag and producing all babies that didn't display any jag weirdness and vise versa as well, rock solid jags producing clutches of really bad babies, so im not sold on the fact that only jags with out any jag syndrome should be bread. controversial topic for sure. but as far as owning one as a pet, I would hold out and find a real rock solid jag, there is many out there and you will find one.
Jules1618
03-21-13, 06:04 PM
Pure IJs should not have a wobble to my understanding (I'm still new to this too) the line must have something else, probably a poor jag line in it
If you like IJs I would keep looking as you will find one without a wobble....
Terranaut
03-21-13, 06:49 PM
No snake should have wobble BUT some jags do. Very few but some do.
threezero
03-22-13, 04:19 PM
any canadian breeder that comes recommended?
Freebody
03-22-13, 08:16 PM
henry piorun is where I buy my snakes from, just got one today from him, going to post it now :)
shaunyboy
03-23-13, 01:00 PM
Would any of you purchase a young snake that already exhibits wobble?
I have corresponded with a person in Glendale (about 30 miles from me) who has a very pretty female IJ Jag. But according to him, she and her brother both display a slight wobble already. They were hatched in the past 12 months...
Is this such a serious issue that I should just walk away right now? Or might she be worth pursuing...?
you can breed wobble FREE Jags and produce wobbley hatchlings
you can breed Jags with wobbles and produce wobble FREE hatchlings
you can buy a Jag without a wobble and it can suddenly revelop wobbles
imo the wobble shows up most,when the snakes nervous,like when your taking them out their tank,etc
some Jags have no wobbles and stay that way their whole lives
the Jag Neurological issues can be anything from,there being none,to slight wobbles,right up to full corkscrewing
cheers shaun
meaningless end
03-28-13, 07:40 AM
And Hey guys.... I'm brandon... ive never posted on here before but nice to meet everyone. As jags are concerned the 6% thing is a bit off... it is my opinion that ALL jags have a slight nero issue to one extent or another. Even the jags that seem perfect you will find are still slightly less athletic then other carpets. There is no out crossing or magic recipe of traits that will change that. Personally i only have 2 one that is sever but showed no signs until after the age of two and one caramel jag that seems perfectly normal until you hold one of my other carpets and then you cant help but notice slight differences in athletics and awareness. I by no means am trying to talk you out of a jag... i love both of mine. But you should know what your getting into..... either way I'm sure you'll be happy.... take it easy
Caramel Jag.... PICS! lol (please)
Terranaut
03-28-13, 03:09 PM
My jag is a climbing machine, very athletic and strong. He shows no signs of "nero" at all during feeding or under stress. He is almost 2 now.
I will post any changes but doubt he will develope any issues.
Gregg M
03-30-13, 10:34 AM
My jag is a climbing machine, very athletic and strong. He shows no signs of "nero" at all during feeding or under stress. He is almost 2 now.
I will post any changes but doubt he will develope any issues.
They all show signs in some way. Some a lot less than others but again, they all show it to a degree. That "only 6% of jags display a head wobble" is not correct. It is impossible to put a % on that. From my experience, the majority of jags show it to a degree. Every one that I have seen anyway.
Even though yours shows little to no signs means nothing. Its offspring will indeed show it in different degrees. It can not be bred out by outcrossing. This gene has been outcrossesed for many years and has not improved at all.
With that being said, I see no reason not to breed them as the defect has not proven to be harmful and does not affect the snakes quality of life. The defect also only affects jags and does not get passed to jag sibs. It is contained defect.
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