Is this scale rot?

[Hillsberry]

Does this look like scale rot to you guys? I have not been spraying my Retic for a while do to the fact that the tub that she is in holds to much condensation. Luckily I am moving her into a tank tomorrow so I won't have to worry about that anymore. The area feels like normal scales. It is almost a purple color. If it is scale rot if I keep her dry will it go away? Otherwise how do I go by treating something like this. Thanks!
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[DeadlyDesires]

almost look like stuck shed.. does she shed well?

Shes gorgeous btw..

[Hillsberry]

Not stuck shed. She always has complete sheds. Thank you!

[DeadlyDesires]

hmm. I dunno then.. i've not dealt with scare rot yet, hope i never have to.. maybe its a scar? do you feed her live or ft? im not thinking scale rot because its not red.. im not sure if its always red or not.. but it doesn't look like its infected of any sort.

Does she seem like it hurts when you touch it?

[Hillsberry]

It's not a scar. I dont feed live. Scale rot is not always red from what I have read. It is either scale rot or from pushing. But I never see her push.

[DeadlyDesires]

ah ok.. well i hope she gets better :( shes beautiful.. im sure she will love her new enclosure :D

[Hillsberry]

Thank you!

[marvelfreak]

Kind of looks like a burn.

[Hillsberry]

I do have a heat panel in her tub.

[Hillsberry]

Is there anything I can put on it? Man I feel so bad. :( I will be moving her tomorrow so this won't happen again. It is probably going to leave a scar. :(

[marvelfreak]

I wonder if she could have burnt herself on it. Where it go across the black it looks burnt. Plus swelling from a burn could raise the scales making them look white. I am not 100% but that would be my guess. Try pushing on it lightly (the white) and see if it seems like fluid under it.

[Corey209]

I'd take him to a vet personally but until then I would soak in diluted betadine to prevent infection.

[marvelfreak]

Is there anything I can put on it? Man I feel so bad. :( I will be moving her tomorrow so this won't happen again. It is probably going to leave a scar. :(
If it is a burn i would call a vet ask what would be safe to use.

[Hillsberry]

I wonder if she could have burnt herself on it. Where it go across the black it looks burnt. Plus swelling from a burn could raise the scales making them look white. I am not 100% but that would be my guess. Try pushing on it lightly (the white) and see if it seems like fluid under it.

I push, and squeezed it and nothing came out. No swelling to the touch. The only thing that is different about it is the coloration.

[Corey209]

If it is a burn i would call a vet ask what would be safe to use.

I remember reading a post about doing a betadine wash to prevent infection with burns and I just looked it up with multiple sources recommending this.

[Hillsberry]

She has had the small white mark for a few days. I asked people and they thought it looked like rubbing. So I let it go. I just noticed this other mark today.

[marvelfreak]

I push, and squeezed it and nothing came out. No swelling to the touch. The only thing that is different about it is the coloration.
Did she seem irritated when you push on it?

[Hillsberry]

But don't you think if it was a burn there would be blistering?

[Hillsberry]

Did she seem irritated when you push on it?

She just sat there. After a about 30 seconds she twitched but that is normal for her.

[marvelfreak]

Then it doesn't sound like a burn. I have seen some snake who scale have just turn white it spots for no real reason. I really like to hear what some other think. Have you try getting a hold of Kimberly and asking what she think? But just to be safe i would do like Corey suggested. Better safe than sorry.

[Hillsberry]

Kim thought maybe scale rot. Do to the tub having to much condensation for the past few weeks.

[Corey209]

Kim thought maybe scale rot. Do to the tub having to much condensation for the past few weeks.

10% betadine solution bath twice a day, if it gets any worse you'll need anti biotics.

[Hillsberry]

10% betadine solution bath twice a day, if it gets any worse you'll need anti biotics.

Thank you. I will do that and keep everyone updated.

[Aaron_S]

Can you shoot me a PM of the pic from this page? I can't see it in the first post for some reason.

From the first picture. Odd place for a burn so I'd say no especially since it's not blistering and all gross. It's not scale rot either. That starts from the bottom due to sitting in wet conditions.

[marvelfreak]

Thank you. I will do that and keep everyone updated.
Diffidently keep us updated on her.

[marvelfreak]

What do you use for cleaning her cage?

[Hillsberry]

I couldn't figure out how to send a picture through PM. So let me know if you can see this one. Chuck I use 10% bleach and 90% water. I stay only where the pee was and I then pour water all in the enclosure and dry.
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[marvelfreak]

So that rules chemical burn out.

[DeadlyDesires]

how long would you say its been there? certain things will get worse the longer they are left untreated.. so it might help to know if its new like today or a few days old, week?

[Corey209]

Just read about white scales caused by Septicema on a forum.

Here's a site about it Bacteria In The Blood in Reptiles | petMD (http://www.petmd.com/reptile/conditions/cardiovascular/c_rp_septicemia#.USlfnaVQE-k)

[Hillsberry]

I am going to the white plain reptile expo tomorrow. There is a reptile vet there. I am going to bring the picture and see what he thinks.

[moshirimon]

Could be a scratch she did to herself during shedding. I noticed it happens the odd time. Doesn't look too bad though , will probably heal up with a couple if sheds

[concinnusman]

If the air temperature in an enclosure is too low, a large snake may have trouble reaching a high enough core temp. As a result they will often sit on surfaces that are too hot, resulting in burns. Nobody can really remote diagnose but it does look like a burn. condensation buildup isn't good either. That's a pretty good indication that ventilation is inadequate and it also allows harmful bacteria and fungi to thrive, resulting in skin infections or RI's.

Regardless of what it is, it can't hurt to treat with betadine / iodine solution. Antiseptic skin cleansers with chlorhexidine gluconate work well too. I prefer to use that. It's less toxic and has longer effective duration.

It does not look like scale rot. Scales will sort of look like they are shriveling up and will have a brownish discoloration if it's scale rot.

[Hillsberry]

If the air temperature in an enclosure is too low, a large snake may have trouble reaching a high enough core temp. As a result they will often sit on surfaces that are too hot, resulting in burns. Nobody can really remote diagnose but it does look like a burn. condensation buildup isn't good either. That's a pretty good indication that ventilation is inadequate and it also allows harmful bacteria and fungi to thrive, resulting in skin infections or RI's.

Regardless of what it is, it can't hurt to treat with betadine / iodine solution. Antiseptic skin cleansers with chlorhexidine gluconate work well too. I prefer to use that. It's less toxic and has longer effective duration.

It does not look like scale rot. Scales will sort of look like they are shriveling up and will have a brownish discoloration if it's scale rot.

Will the Antiseptic skin cleansers help heal a burn? The only thing is the heat panel is on the roof of her enclosure. So I can't see how it could be a burn.

[Corey209]

Will the Antiseptic skin cleansers help heal a burn? The only thing is the heat panel is on the roof of her enclosure. So I can't see how it could be a burn.

Too much heat with too much moisture on the snake could cause a burn if I'm not mistaken.

Betadine will help stop spreading any infection so yes it will help the burn.

[Aaron_S]

It doesn't really look like a burn from that picture. It's a little difficult to tell but the black scales don't look any different so it would be odd that only the surrounding scales would be burned and not those. Besides, there's no blisters or anything of the sort.

It also is not scale rot. That's from sitting in too damp conditions for a prolonged period of time. By this I mean a really long time. Like weeks upon weeks. It starts on the belly scales and moves up. It's generally a red colouration.

I wouldn't treat it yet. Leave it be for now unless the vet says anything. If he is unsure I would just wait and see what it looks like after the next shed cycle. When snakes have injuries of any sort they will kick into a shed cycle sooner than normal to help heal it.

[Squirtle]

When was the last time it shed? I have seen snakes turn almost completely white after a shed. There's actually a video on YouTube of a boa constrictor that looked almost like a paradox after it shed, I'll try to look for it and post it here. :)

[Squirtle]

Here's the video. If you look at the persons other videos, you can see that his boa was normal colored, although when it shed, this happened:

Crap, I don't know how to post YouTube videos. Anyways, here's the video link: Red Tail Boa Changed Colors - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNIElbDVMCQ)

[lady_bug87]

Talk about being in over your head.

I remember reading a post about doing a betadine wash to prevent infection with burns and I just looked it up with multiple sources recommending this.

Too much heat with too much moisture on the snake could cause a burn if I'm not mistaken.

Betadine will help stop spreading any infection so yes it will help the burn.

You don't even know what it is. Why are you prescribing a treatment that could make it worse?

Just read about white scales caused by Septicema on a forum.

Here's a site about it Bacteria In The Blood in Reptiles | petMD (http://www.petmd.com/reptile/conditions/cardiovascular/c_rp_septicemia#.USlfnaVQE-k)

First its a burn and now its a blood disease? Maybe you should give Google a break for tonight and sit back and learn.

[Aaron_S]

Corey, she's correct. You're joining a conversation you have NO experience with and just regurgitating information. Hills can google himself. He wants first hand experience.

Just read.

[Corey209]

Corey, she's correct. You're joining a conversation you have NO experience with and just regurgitating information. Hills can google himself. He wants first hand experience.

Just read.

I was giving the betadine treatment based on the other person with experience saying it was a burn because that would actually help, but you have a point.

[Hillsberry]

I appreciate all the help. I am going to go with what Aaron said. I talk to some big Retic breeders and they basically said the same thing as Aaron. See how it is after the next shed if it doesn't go away then call the vet. Retics are very hardy snakes so I can't imagine it being that bacterial infection. Also my husbandry is almost post on. Again thank you everyone. I will keep you all informed on how she is.

P.S. Aaron I am a "she" not a "he" hahaha!

[Aaron_S]

I appreciate all the help. I am going to go with what Aaron said. I talk to some big Retic breeders and they basically said the same thing as Aaron. See how it is after the next shed if it doesn't go away then call the vet. Retics are very hardy snakes so I can't imagine it being that bacterial infection. Also my husbandry is almost post on. Again thank you everyone. I will keep you all informed on how she is.

P.S. Aaron I am a "she" not a "he" hahaha!

I apologize Hillary.

[marvelfreak]

I was giving the betadine treatment based on the other person with experience saying it was a burn because that would actually help, but you have a point. He was just trying to be helpful base off of what i said i thought it was. To me that shows a lot about he character. Base on the fact me and him had it out yesterday. He was trying to help out base on what i thought it was. He didn't care that we had a disagreement but it was all about trying to help Hillary and her snake. To me that says something.

[lady_bug87]

He was just trying to be helpful base off of what i said i thought it was. To me that shows a lot about he character. Base on the fact me and him had it out yesterday. He was trying to help out base on what i thought it was. He didn't care that we had a disagreement but it was all about trying to help Hillary and her snake. To me that says something.

To me it says that though he may have good intentions... he works Google harder than a hooker on New Years.

[marvelfreak]

To me it says that though he may have good intentions... he works Google harder than a hooker on New Years.
22751your kill me.:laugh:

[Aaron_S]

He was just trying to be helpful base off of what i said i thought it was. To me that shows a lot about he character. Base on the fact me and him had it out yesterday. He was trying to help out base on what i thought it was. He didn't care that we had a disagreement but it was all about trying to help Hillary and her snake. To me that says something.

It doesn't actually look like a burn so why should be blindly follow someone and offer up unnecessary treatment? If this was a misdiagnosed RI and he suggested injecting baytril and thus giving this snake baytril burns would that be still okay?

It's an animals health we're talking about. It isn't a place for google kids. This one is for the experienced.

[Mark Taylor]

It doesn't actually look like a burn so why should be blindly follow someone and offer up unnecessary treatment? If this was a misdiagnosed RI and he suggested injecting baytril and thus giving this snake baytril burns would that be still okay?

It's an animals health we're talking about. It isn't a place for google kids. This one is for the experienced.


I agree I'm waiting to find out what happens and then out of the blue medication is being suggested but no one even knows what it is yet. :confused:

[NBLADE]

It isn't scale rot, is in the wrong place and looks all wrong, doesn't look like a burn, especially not a fresh one anyway. If the snake is acting normally, i'd wait it out til the next shed, looks like it will just shed out.

[Ivanator]

I had the same thing happen to my sunfire a couple years ago. I took him to the vet and he said it wasn't serious and to see how it looks after his next shed and if it was still there or worse afterwards, to bring him back in and he'd do some tests. It completely went away after the next shed. I'm not saying it's not a concern, I'm just saying to see how it is after it's next shed. If it's still there, definitely have it checked out. Keep us updated on how it's doing.

[Corey209]

To me it says that though he may have good intentions... he works Google harder than a hooker on New Years.

Well I didn't google anything but the one sickness I saw about white scales on a forum. I was looking up similar stuff on other snake forums because obviously no one here knows exactly what it is.

[KORBIN5895]

To me it says that though he may have good intentions... he works Google harder than a hooker on New Years.

I wish it was new years.....

Anyway I had something that looked exactly like that on Gabby (bci). I saw it actually happen. It was a scratch and it went away after one shed. I will look for pictures.

[Squirtle]

To me it says that though he may have good intentions... he works Google harder than a hooker on New Years.

Care to explain this joke...?

[lady_bug87]

Care to explain this joke...?

If I do then it won't be funny.... you just nay have to sit this one out

[KORBIN5895]

If I do then it won't be funny.... you just nay have to sit this one out

What!?!?!? It was a joke?

[Hillsberry]

To update everyone. I took the picture with me to the White Plains expo and got two different opinions from two different reptile vets. Both said wait to see if it goes away by the next shed if not bring her in. They also said it definitely wasn't a burn or scale rot but cant be sure unless they saw her in person. They said they think it could be just a discoloration or a bacterial infection. So I will keep you guys updated for the weeks to come and hopefully it will just go away.Thanks again everyone!

[concinnusman]

*disregard*

[concinnusman]

You don't even know what it is. Why are you prescribing a treatment that could make it worse?

The problem I have with that statement is, applying betadine to the skin is highly unlikely to "make it worse" but odds are it can help prevent infection and/or help if it is any one of a several possibilities I can think of. There aren't any skin conditions (except for perhaps massive deep wounds) that are going to be made worse by applying antiseptic. At the very worst scenario, they just won't help.


First its a burn and now its a blood disease? Maybe you should give Google a break for tonight and sit back and learn.

And I suppose you know something we don't? Mentioning reasonable possibilities is not the same as making a diagnosis, which none of us, even if we were a veteranarian, can do remotely. Therefore, mentioning possibilities is all we have. And just for the record, burns do not look the same when they first happen as they do later when they begin to brown and crust. And there isn't always blistering.

So unless you have some magical powers of remote observation that the rest of us don't have, maybe you should take the "holier than thou" attitude somewhere else. It's uncalled for and unnecessary. Quite frankly I get sick of hypocrites which is why I don't visit most reptile forums. Too many know it all's and to many people berating other people because they think they know more. Nothing personal Lady bug.

I think the best advice anyone here can give, is to take the snake to a vet. There's no way we can diagnose from a picture.

Did the vet recommend using any antiseptics on it?

[lady_bug87]

The problem I have with that statement is, applying betadine to the skin is highly unlikely to "make it worse" but odds are it can help prevent infection and/or help if it is any one of a several possibilities I can think of. There aren't any skin conditions (except for perhaps massive deep wounds) that are going to be made worse by applying antiseptic. At the very worst scenario, they just won't help.




And I suppose you know something we don't? Mentioning reasonable possibilities is not the same as making a diagnosis, which none of us, even if we were a veteranarian, can do remotely. Therefore, mentioning possibilities is all we have. And just for the record, burns do not look the same when they first happen as they do later when they begin to brown and crust. And there isn't always blistering.

So unless you have some magical powers of remote observation that the rest of us don't have, maybe you should take the "holier than thou" attitude somewhere else. It's uncalled for and unnecessary. Quite frankly I get sick of hypocrites which is why I don't visit most reptile forums. Too many know it all's and to many people berating other people because they think they know more. Nothing personal Lady bug.

I think the best advice anyone here can give, is to take the snake to a vet. There's no way we can diagnose from a picture.

Did the vet recommend using any antiseptics on it?

I laughed heartily at this....

And for the record I have a lot of magical abilities like a built in bullcrap meter that can work from any distance.

I also have a purple skittle pooping unicorn named Harvey though he's more of a pet...

[millertime89]

It doesn't actually look like a burn so why should be blindly follow someone and offer up unnecessary treatment? If this was a misdiagnosed RI and he suggested injecting baytril and thus giving this snake baytril burns would that be still okay?

and on that note, have you ever used baytril injections on this snake to treat an RI?

[Aaron_S]

...Did the vet recommend using any antiseptics on it?

My guess if it said just keep an eye on it until next shed that they wouldn't suggest this.

[Hillsberry]

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Did the vet recommend using any antiseptics on it?[/QUOTE]
No they didn't. They weren't 100% sure on what it was.

[Aaron_S]

and on that note, have you ever used baytril injections on this snake to treat an RI?

On this snake? No. Why would I?

I'm missing your point. Try harder.

[concinnusman]

I laughed heartily at this...

Simple minds are easily amused.

I have a lot of magical abilities like a built in bullcrap meter that can work from any distance.

Too bad it causes interference with your built-in mouth filter.

I also have a purple skittle pooping unicorn named Harvey

I rest my case.


On this snake? No. Why would I?

I'm missing your point. Try harder.

I think he was trying to suggest that the skin problem is a side effect of Baytril injections but I don't think so.

All there is to do now, is wait and see what happens next shed.

[lady_bug87]

Simple minds are easily amused.



Too bad it causes interference with your built-in mouth filter.



I rest my case.

You would be amazed how complex my mind is madam...

And joke's on you! I wasn't born with a filter..

[concinnusman]

Good one :D

[lady_bug87]

Thanks I do my best work in the afternoon

[KORBIN5895]

All there is to do now, is wait and see what happens next shed.

Wow..... after all of this you just reiterated what was said like first page! You so remind me of Captain Hero.... or maybe Xandir Wifflebottom.

Again it looks just like a burn.

[KORBIN5895]

Thanks I do my best work in the afternoon

I'll keep that in mind;)

[concinnusman]

Wow..... after all of this you just reiterated what was said like first page!

And what do you call this:

Again it looks just like a burn.

Doesn't matter what it looks like. I'm pretty sure that a vet who has examined the animal would know if it was a burn and it's already established that it's not a burn.

You so remind me of Captain Hero.... or maybe Xandir Wifflebottom.

Whoever that is. Go play with your action figures.

[lady_bug87]

I'll keep that in mind;)

You would...

[KORBIN5895]

Doesn't matter what it looks like. I'm pretty sure that a vet who has examined the animal would know if it was a burn and it's already established that it's not a burn.
.

Oh! Do you have inside info? I don't see where a vet actually examined it.

Good try though.

If you don't know who Captain Hero is you must live a sad and sheltered life. :'( I feel for you.

[Hillsberry]

An update on the Retic. The white mark seems to be disappearing and the purple mark is turning more white. Nothing is getting bigger. Still no shed. The snake is still acting 100% normal. Will let you all know when she sheds.

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[concinnusman]

Oh! Do you have inside info? I don't see where a vet actually examined it.

My mistake. Two vets looked at the pictures. I would say that they are still better qualified to make an educated guess and they guessed it's not a burn. Now if there's any particular reason why I should think that your opinion holds more merit, I'm all ears.

If you don't know who Captain Hero is you must live a sad and sheltered life.

That must be it. The wisdom displayed by your response speaks volumes. I now see how mistaken I was to assign little credibility to your opinion in this matter.

An update on the Retic. The white mark seems to be disappearing and the purple mark is turning more white. Nothing is getting bigger. Still no shed. The snake is still acting 100% normal. Will let you all know when she sheds.

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There seems to be no change and it looks to me like a simple loss of pigment. It very well could be nothing. There seems to be nothing abnormal except the loss of pigment. Wouldn't be the first time a snake has lost pigment as time goes by.

[KORBIN5895]

My mistake. Two vets looked at the pictures. I would say that they are still better qualified to make an educated guess and they guessed it's not a burn. Now if there's any particular reason why I should think that your opinion holds more merit, I'm all ears.



That must be it. The wisdom displayed by your response speaks volumes. I now see how mistaken I was to assign little credibility to your opinion in this matter.
.

Oh I don't know why I would know better than the two vets. Wait! Maybe it was because I just had it happen!

One thing I need to clarify is that mine was a scratch
.... not sure why I had burn stuck in my head. But it does prove you didn't really the thread.

My responses always speak volumes. It's because I have a lot of deep wisdom to share. Unfortunately you may never be able to expand your horizons and see the humor.

[Donnie]

If you don't know who Captain Hero is you must live a sad and sheltered life. :'( I feel for you.

I don't know who captain hero is :(, does this mean that my life is sad and sheltered :wacky:

[KORBIN5895]

I don't know who captain hero is :(, does this mean that my life is sad and sheltered :wacky:

What! I can't even link it to you as it is a highly offensive adult cartoon. It's really funny though.....

[Donnie]

What! I can't even link it to you as it is a highly offensive adult cartoon. It's really funny though.....

That's what PM's are for ;)

[concinnusman]

What! I can't even link it to you as it is a highly offensive adult cartoon.

Well in that case, I'm all over it!:crazy:

So, I decided to google it. Apparently Captain Hero is a character featured in the adult cartoon "Drawn Together". Don't know why I didn't know that. I have several seasons on my computer and PMP. I know exactly who you're talking about. I guess I'm not as sheltered as first assumed.:O_o:

Now go and checkout "most offensive video" dot comm. One cannot simply go through life without seeing "suck my big black *** Charlie Brown". It would be a tragedy to miss it LoL

Wait, what were we talking about? oh yeah, scale rot. It's not scale rot. It's a burn.:laugh: