Cleopatra

[Gravelanche]

My baby was feeling rather photogenic tonight so i decided to share

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/857552_10151296473656239_681851367_o.jpg

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/860815_10151296473196239_252926914_o.jpg

of all my snakes she will always be my favorite, gorgeous, friendly, personable (i swear she was smiling at me last time i cleaned out her cage).

She loves to go out on the town with me in the summer too.

[Lickeypie]

She is gorgeous, you lucked out temperament wise!

[medicinhed]

She is gorgeous, you lucked out temperament wise!

I've found most BPs to be very sweet. They have a calmness to them which I really appreciate.

[Gravelanche]

i may get snakes with cooler colors, or bigger and more fun to watch, but while i watch them, i will be cuddling cleo :P

[medicinhed]

i may get snakes with cooler colors, or bigger and more fun to watch, but while i watch them, i will be cuddling cleo :P

LOL. I like to think that it is the one cuddling me. I wear my girl as a bracelet.

[Aaron_S]

Is it glare or is there stuck shed in the first pic?

[Lankyrob]

My baby was feeling rather photogenic tonight so i decided to share

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/857552_10151296473656239_681851367_o.jpg

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/860815_10151296473196239_252926914_o.jpg

of all my snakes she will always be my favorite, gorgeous, friendly, personable (i swear she was smiling at me last time i cleaned out her cage).

She loves to go out on the town with me in the summer too.

Are you saying you walk around your town with your snake? This is really not fair on an animal that needs fairly distinct conditions to thrive, the longerr it is away from these ideal conditions the worse it is for them

I also notice that you only have hides at one end of its tank, it really should have a "hot" hide and a "cold" hide so that it can thermoregulate and still feel secure, you could put the water bowl in the middle if there isnt room for the bowl and a hide :)

[alessia55]

Cleopatra is beautiful!! :D

Just a few suggestions, if you don't mind. I see in your photos that she doesn't have hides on one side. She could really use a hide on both sides of the enclosure, so that she can thermoregulate and feel secure at both ends. Ball pythons are secretive snakes, so they feel better if they can hide wherever they are ;)

When you said "She loves to go out on the town with me in the summer too," I'm not sure what that means. How long is she going out for? Remember that ball pythons are African snakes with very different temperature and humidity requirements than the one your local city provides. Being taken out in public can also be stressful, since she would have no way to escape or retreat when she feels the need to. Just something to think about, since I know you care a lot about her :)

[Pareeeee]

Looks like a nice snake and enclosure. Glad she's really friendly for you, BP's are great that way.

A couple suggestions, like others said, since she's kept in a glass tank, I would put a hide on each end so she feels secure when she needs to cool down as well as when she needs to warm up. Glass tanks are usually not recommended for BP's, but can work, as long as you cover the top to keep humidity in, black out the back and sides and have plenty of hiding spots for added security. They really don't like feeling like they're out in the open.

Also, can't tell if it's just an illusion or not but she looks really dry in the first pic. What are her humidity levels at?

[Gravelanche]

come on guys give me some credit, the large rock on the right has a heat pad under it and it's her warm hide, the log in the middle has no heating in it and it is completely hollow. whatsoever and she goes in there to regulate, i find her lounging in one or the other every few days or so. it just isnt at the complete opposite side of the tank

also theres already another thread about the humidity issues i have been having, its wicked dry in my house right now, close to 0% when i have my space heater running, i didnt think it was that bad until a few days ago and have since cranked up her RH in there to about 40%, im taking her to a breeder today who offered to help me soak and clean up the bad shed.

As for taking her out on the town its only in summer when conditions are right., i bring a shoulder bag with padding and a pillowcase and leave it opened at the top and she will settle in, usually after a few minutes she will poke her head out and check out whats going on or crawl out and wrap around the shoulder strap. i take her out and put her on my shoulders and she stays nice and relaxed, if she gets nervous she slithers into the bag on her own and curls up and thats when i start to consider heading home.

It was a long road of testing, starting with taking her outside while i have a beer on the porch and just seeing what she was comfortable with

[Snakeman8]

shes beautiful, i walk around town with mine in the summer!

[Gravelanche]

Took her to a breeder today for help with the shedding issue, she looks even better after her bath

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/16906_10151297220421239_1085625440_n.jpg

[Lankyrob]

How exactly is she meant to thermoregulate or get the correct humidity in your bag? How long is she out of tthe ideal temps/humidity for each time?

[Gravelanche]

sigh, fogrive me lord for i have sinned, i have not left my wild animal in a temperature controlled rubber bin 24/7 like she would experience in nature. i have subjected her to the horrors of the outside world and sunshine for brief periods of time.

for the LAST time, if she gets stressed i take her home, in general i have really loved this site, lot of helpful people, but this "question everyone who doesnt have things exactly 100% ideal" thing is starting to turn me off.

She eats regularily and eagerly, she is happy and explores her tank and climbs and exercises, she has never struck and enjoys being handled, she is a HAPPY snake. aside from the humidity issue which is now fixed, and i know how to clean her myself now in the future, i have never had an issue.

[Aaron_S]

sigh, fogrive me lord for i have sinned, i have not left my wild animal in a temperature controlled rubber bin 24/7 like she would experience in nature. i have subjected her to the horrors of the outside world and sunshine for brief periods of time.

for the LAST time, if she gets stressed i take her home, in general i have really loved this site, lot of helpful people, but this "question everyone who doesnt have things exactly 100% ideal" thing is starting to turn me off.

She eats regularily and eagerly, she is happy and explores her tank and climbs and exercises, she has never struck and enjoys being handled, she is a HAPPY snake. aside from the humidity issue which is now fixed, and i know how to clean her myself now in the future, i have never had an issue.

Prove to me she beyond any doubt ENJOYS handling.

All known scientific knowledge points to she just tolerates you.

Honestly, I'd refrain from taking her out in public. Someone could be super afraid and they are then put in a position they don't want to be in. They, or someone with them could react poorly causing a scene with police or whatever. Worst of all, they could easily just attack you or the snake and harm either one of you. Not worth it. Your snake prefers her environment. Why put the snake in any stressful situation?

Also, you can't say you've never had an issue. I now see 2 issues that are corrected, partially. Your humidity is still too low.

[Gravelanche]

oh dear god do you exhist to suck the fun out of this? this was a thread to share some pictures of my snake and it has been 10% admiration and 90% **** on everything asuming i know nothing, i thuroughly regret showing her off at all now.

im not ********, every animal has limits, and im blessed with a snake that does not stress easily. and yes once in a while someone is "put in a situation they arent comfortable with" but when i weigh those people against the 100 kids of every age that touch their first python and are forever a little less afraid of snakes for doing it. Its well worth it to me.

but since my every action is on trial, i only take her out when the weather is in a nice range, we only go out for an hour, or maybe two tops. and if she shows signs of stress i take her home.

This is us at an outdoor concert, tons of people, AND police around, they thought it was neat.

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/480169_10151297375006239_936682845_n.jpg

she comes out to explore and goes back in when she wants to, i moderate how many people can touch her and very rarely let people hold her. and just in case after i take her out i leave her alone in her enclosure for at least a day or 2 afterwards to relax.

as for humidity for one it's only a problem in the winter, 2 i have pushed it pretty high, three she has the option to soak if she wants to and choses not to.

and four, im done defending myself on my ****in birthday. i have a happy snake, thats the end of it.

[mykee]

"She loves to go out on the town with me in the summer too."
Tsk tsk tsk.

[Lankyrob]

sigh, fogrive me lord for i have sinned, i have not left my wild animal in a temperature controlled rubber bin 24/7 like she would experience in nature. i have subjected her to the horrors of the outside world and sunshine for brief periods of time.

for the LAST time, if she gets stressed i take her home, in general i have really loved this site, lot of helpful people, but this "question everyone who doesnt have things exactly 100% ideal" thing is starting to turn me off.

She eats regularily and eagerly, she is happy and explores her tank and climbs and exercises, she has never struck and enjoys being handled, she is a HAPPY snake. aside from the humidity issue which is now fixed, and i know how to clean her myself now in the future, i have never had an issue.

Being in bag gives her no option to thermoregulate "like she would in nature". We provide enclosures with ideal conditions for the reason that the outside world where we live (generally) does NOT provide the correct conditions.

[Gravelanche]

Snake for sale, $300 obo, aparently im a complete ****wit so someone save her life

[Lankyrob]

You are posting on an open forum where the majority of members love reptiles and like to see them kept in as near perfect conditions as possible, so when we see something that flags to us a warning we mention it and hope that the owner takes note or at least someone else reading the thread may take note and change their ways.

At the end of the day it is YOUR snake and YOUR choice, all we can do is offer advice and hope you take it, if you dont then its your animal that could suffer and yuo that will have to pay the vets bills and live with the consequences.

[Gravelanche]

You are posting on an open forum where the majority of members love reptiles and like to see them kept in as near perfect conditions as possible, so when we see something that flags to us a warning we mention it and hope that the owner takes note or at least someone else reading the thread may take note and change their ways.

At the end of the day it is YOUR snake and YOUR choice, all we can do is offer advice and hope you take it, if you dont then its your animal that could suffer and yuo that will have to pay the vets bills and live with the consequences.

and i understand that, but heres a tip, go through the comments again and weed out the 2 polite suggestions that i took to heart, vs the dozen overbearing finger wagging comments that have made me look for the delete account button.

there are probably hundreds of thousands of snakes and lizards out there being treated like utter crap by people who dont give a ****. Cleo might not be 100% always ideal in her cage but she is overall happy and her trips out are for the greater good of snakes everywhere and helping people to avoid an un-deserving fear of snakes.

i have never claimed that her life was "ideal", but its probably far better than average for an admittedly novice keeper. im here trying to learn and adjust as i go. i dont need to be **** on for not knowing everything yet

[Aaron_S]

oh dear god do you exhist to suck the fun out of this?

Yes.

this was a thread to share some pictures of my snake and it has been 10% admiration and 90% **** on everything asuming i know nothing, i thuroughly regret showing her off at all now.

You don't know much. You couldn't keep humidity correct or even notice it until it was a larger shedding issue. You obviously don't monitor it on a regular basis.



im not ********, every animal has limits, and im blessed with a snake that does not stress easily. and yes once in a while someone is "put in a situation they arent comfortable with" but when i weigh those people against the 100 kids of every age that touch their first python and are forever a little less afraid of snakes for doing it. Its well worth it to me.

but since my every action is on trial, i only take her out when the weather is in a nice range, we only go out for an hour, or maybe two tops. and if she shows signs of stress i take her home.

This is us at an outdoor concert, tons of people, AND police around, they thought it was neat.....i moderate how many people can touch her and very rarely let people hold her.

So is it hundreds or just a few? You contradict yourself here. You monitor the people but yet you're at a concert. Was the weather 85 to 90 throughout the entire time? Looks pretty cloudy/dark in the picture. Probably not ideal for an African species.

I could careless if the police were okay with it or not but all you need is one complaint and you'll have your animals banned. You literally easily could have given the people who were afraid, some SERIOUS psychological issues afterwards. You just keep putting your selfish thoughts ahead of your animals and others.

and four, im done defending myself on my ****in birthday. i have a happy snake, thats the end of it.

Happy Birthday.

[Aaron_S]

and i understand that, but heres a tip, go through the comments again and weed out the 2 polite suggestions that i took to heart, vs the dozen overbearing finger wagging comments that have made me look for the delete account button.

there are probably hundreds of thousands of snakes and lizards out there being treated like utter crap by people who dont give a ****. Cleo might not be 100% always ideal in her cage but she is overall happy and her trips out are for the greater good of snakes everywhere and helping people to avoid an un-deserving fear of snakes.

i have never claimed that her life was "ideal", but its probably far better than average for an admittedly novice keeper. im here trying to learn and adjust as i go. i dont need to be **** on for not knowing everything yet

It's not for the greater good. For every one person you damage, which you've stated it has, it has a larger snowball effect.

Your enclosure should be 100% all the time. Get with the program.

[Gravelanche]

heres the ****ing program, be right, thats fine, but stop being such condescending ******* about it. thanks to the 5 people on this site with manners, the rest of you, go **** yourselves im out.

[Aaron_S]

heres the ****ing program, be right, thats fine, but stop being such condescending ******* about it. thanks to the 5 people on this site with manners, the rest of you, go **** yourselves im out.

You're cute.

I was polite until I learned that you left your humidity issue so bad it lasted for TWO sheds over the eyes. That's quite a time frame.

[Lankyrob]

There are plenty of forums that will pander to your attitude and the "cuteness" of taking your snake for walkies, this ismt one of them. If you are interested shoot me a pm and i will give you the address of one where you will fit right in.

[aaron_cg]

She's very pretty. Love her coloring!

[Pareeeee]

Gravelanche, you have to understand that we have seen way too many people who have been misinformed (usually by pet shop owners, who should never be depended on for good advice).
The world is full of bad information on snakes (especially ball pythons!) and many well-meaning people have trouble sifting through information and misinformation. There are a lot of good people on here, many of whom have really helped me out a lot the last couple years. I have learned so much from the veteran snake keepers here and owe them many thanks.
Everyone here has a different personality, some, granted, deliver their information more bluntly than others, but it's still sound advice.

We "don't know you from a hole in the ground" (as the saying goes) and we have no way of knowing if you are well informed or not. Please try not to take offense to the advice offered. Most just want to help make sure that the snake is being taken care of properly.

Rob, don't know if you realize or not, we have warmer summers here than you do in the UK. I don't have a problem with people taking their snakes outside, as long as it's a good temp. Last summer here in Ontario the temps were in the high 30's (Celcius) 80's to mid 90's (Fahrenheit). I took Kahless and Boaz out several times, but just in the lawn beside/behind my apartment building. I don't take them out long enough to actually go for walks though. I think it requires too much handling to take them on regular walks.

[medicinhed]

It's easy to come across as blunt, unsympathetic, condescending, and sarcastic on an open forum.

The support from people here will be 100% towards the animals, proper husbandry, and information (1st hand) from people that actually own, handle and care for them daily. Sometimes for decades.

Take what you read as advice, and not as marching orders. Despite their responses, and assumptions, do your own ongoing research.

I wouldn't bring my Scotty out to a festival, and I wouldn't bring my rainbow, or BPs out. As much as we love them, and are fascinated by them, some people will frankly just wig out irrationally.

If you want to show off your pet, do it in photographs on Herp forums and websites.

A healthy, well-adjusted, properly tamed reptile, in a perfect, dialed in enclosure speaks volumes.

Best of luck Bro. Don't take it personally. You got a hard hip check when your head was down. Just get up and skate on.

[Lankyrob]

Gravelanche, you have to understand that we have seen way too many people who have been misinformed (usually by pet shop owners, who should never be depended on for good advice).
The world is full of bad information on snakes (especially ball pythons!) and many well-meaning people have trouble sifting through information and misinformation. There are a lot of good people on here, many of whom have really helped me out a lot the last couple years. I have learned so much from the veteran snake keepers here and owe them many thanks.
Everyone here has a different personality, some, granted, deliver their information more bluntly than others, but it's still sound advice.

We "don't know you from a hole in the ground" (as the saying goes) and we have no way of knowing if you are well informed or not. Please try not to take offense to the advice offered. Most just want to help make sure that the snake is being taken care of properly.

Rob, don't know if you realize or not, we have warmer summers here than you do in the UK. I don't have a problem with people taking their snakes outside, as long as it's a good temp. Last summer here in Ontario the temps were in the high 30's (Celcius) 80's to mid 90's (Fahrenheit). I took Kahless and Boaz out several times, but just in the lawn beside/behind my apartment building. I don't take them out long enough to actually go for walks though. I think it requires too much handling to take them on regular walks.

I appreciate the temp difference, i also take my snakes into MY garden for a short period of time for photos. But taking them into a public situation, no.

Also allowing them to roam a lawn they have the ability to move into shade or into a warmer area as they need to, much different to being in a bag wheree there is no option for them to choose.

[ilovemypets1988]

i have a suggestion for you


why dont you goto your local community center and book the main hall, then invite some other snake/rep keepers and do a show, that way you can still take your snake out and educate people and if someone who doesnt like these animals walk in and dont like it and they complain, atleast nothing can come back to you as they pput themselves into that situation and you didnt.

lovelly snake though :D

[Ms. Medusa]

oh dear god do you exhist to suck the fun out of this? this was a thread to share some pictures of my snake and it has been 10% admiration and 90% **** on everything asuming i know nothing, i thuroughly regret showing her off at all now.........................

and four, im done defending myself on my ****in birthday. i have a happy snake, thats the end of it.

Gravalanche--

I just want to compliment you on your love and your passion for your snake. I am NOT going to berate you for anything you are doing. I appreciate the fact you took the time to listen to those you felt offered good and polite advice.

I hope you have a really good birthday after the flurry of comments about your girl. Treat the comments from them like they came from the in-laws. Move on with those that you felt were condescending-- and realize that alot of us, some of the silent, some of the not so silent- enjoyed your pics. I'm not here to judge you and I would bet a good number of other people aren't either. There were some good suggestions/comments, and some that were just freaking nit-picky and mean. Sort through those when you aren't feeling so raw or attacked--research them or talk with people you trust about what you might want to change in your care of her if you find through research and discussion there are things you feel could change for the better. Be honest. Not today though-- go celebrate life today and forget the crap here.

[Corey209]

This is us at an outdoor concert, tons of people, AND police around, they thought it was neat.


If I'm not mistaken snakes can hear in stereo and concerts are pretty loud especially with a bunch of people around. You don't think the snake would get stressed out at all from all the commotion?

Personally the only place I'd take my snakes to is the vet or my backyard.

When I brought my ATB to get sexed I remember having to carry him around for around two hours in total on my arm. Unlike a ball python, ATBs will bite or musk when stressed and guess what my ATB did? He bit me multiple times. I felt bad for stressing my snake out but just because she isn't freaking out on you doesn't mean she's not stressed. If you want something exotic to show off to all the kids and people get a damn monkey, you can pet them.

Happy belated birthday.

[lady_bug87]

I wonder how many people in this thread have taken their animals outside for 'photo shoots'

Because taking pictures outside and outside of our holier than thou perfect sterilite bins is the only acceptable excuse.

They may not be out on public to scare people during photographs but they are outside.

Hypocritical much?

[Ms. Medusa]

I wonder how many people in this thread have taken their animals outside for 'photo shoots'

Because taking pictures outside and outside of our holier than thou perfect sterilite bins is the only acceptable excuse.

They may not be out on public to scare people during photographs but they are outside.

Hypocritical much?

Agreed. TY Lady_bug

I take mine outside for photo shoots. I've even been known to take them to my local reptile shop/friend's shop for a double check on sexing and/or advice on an issue.

[Corey209]

Nevermind..

[lady_bug87]

Nevermind..

Never mind what?

I'm not in the mood for newb shenanigans

[Corey209]

Never mind what?

I'm not in the mood for newb shenanigans

It was regarding your use of the English language but I don't feel like instigating something so I put nevermind. You've been here since 2011 and this site has been around for a lot longer, so please don't call me a "newb".

[lady_bug87]

Would you prefer keyboard warrior?

What's wrong with my 'use of the English language'?

[marvelfreak]

I wonder how many people in this thread have taken their animals outside for 'photo shoots'

Because taking pictures outside and outside of our holier than thou perfect sterilite bins is the only acceptable excuse.

They may not be out on public to scare people during photographs but they are outside.

Hypocritical much?
And don't forget about taking them out in public. Almost ever breeder on here will take their snake to show to try to sell them. It's still taking them out in public and letting people handle them. Is this not stressful to? Yes of coarse it is. Some take them to school for educational show. To say not to do it is not what we should be telling people, but if you are going to do it how to do it in a responsible way. Like for one and most important thing to know when taking any animals out in public is the state and local laws.Last thing you want is to get your animal taking away and fined.



I take mine outside for photo shot all the time in the summer. But i don't take them out in public No. Why because unless it was to meet some one to sell one why chance having someone see it and freak out. Our hobby gets enough bad press as responsible owner we don't need to and to it.

[lady_bug87]

And don't forget about taking them out in public. Almost ever breeder on here will take their snake to show to try to sell them. It's still taking them out in public and letting people handle them. Is this not stressful to? Yes of coarse it is. Some take them to school for educational show. To say not to do it is not what we should be telling people, but if you are going to do it how to do it in a responsible way. Like for one and most important thing to know when taking any animals out in public is the state and local laws.Last thing you want is to get your animal taking away and fined.



I take mine outside for photo shot all the time in the summer. But i don't take them out in public No. Why because unless it was to meet some one to sell one why chance having someone see it and freak out. Our hobby gets enough bad press as responsible owner we don't need to and to it.

Exactly my point. Its all about perspective. I don't think we should jump on the op all at once.

And I'm very pleased you could understand my horrible use of the English language Chuck :p

[marvelfreak]

Exactly my point. Its all about perspective. I don't think we should jump on the op all at once.

And I'm very pleased you could understand my horrible use of the English language Chuck :p
Nothing wrong with your English. Wow he been here 3 months and doesn't want to be call a newb. Sound like he just got a new permanent nick name. lol

@ Corey around here we protected your Ladies Honor. 22731

Just saying.

[lady_bug87]

My hero <3

[ilovemypets1988]

ok guys, shall we get back on subject (i know im a spoil sport but :P )

[Aaron_S]

And don't forget about taking them out in public. Almost ever breeder on here will take their snake to show to try to sell them. It's still taking them out in public and letting people handle them. Is this not stressful to? Yes of coarse it is. Some take them to school for educational show. To say not to do it is not what we should be telling people, but if you are going to do it how to do it in a responsible way. Like for one and most important thing to know when taking any animals out in public is the state and local laws.Last thing you want is to get your animal taking away and fined.



I take mine outside for photo shot all the time in the summer. But i don't take them out in public No. Why because unless it was to meet some one to sell one why chance having someone see it and freak out. Our hobby gets enough bad press as responsible owner we don't need to and to it.

I think the differences between those two examples and a concert is that anyone attending a show or educational show KNOWS what will be there. If they are afraid, they avoid them.

[ilovemypets1988]

I think the differences between those two examples and a concert is that anyone attending a show or educational show KNOWS what will be there. If they are afraid, they avoid them.

this is true, but not to forget that snakes are (from my understanding anyway) sound sensitive and react quite badly normally (i learned the hard way when i had a corn snake in a tank on top of speakers that had sound (very quietly mind you) but the corn went nuts as a result

[lady_bug87]

I think the differences between those two examples and a concert is that anyone attending a show or educational show KNOWS what will be there. If they are afraid, they avoid them.

That's a valid reason to disagree with the op. I don't usually take my animals anywhere unless I have a good reason. I have however done laundry with my beardie on my shoulder while living in my apartment. The laundry room was downstairs.

As long as its not a long period of time and no one gets freaked out its fine I think. Then again you can't predict people getting freaked out so to avoid it I would leave it at home

[Gravelanche]

2 things about the concert, i stayed way back from the stage, the bag she was in is lined with a very fluffy blanket which probably absorbed a lot. and i may be wrong but i took it as a sign of relaxation that she poked her head out to look around that it wasnt bothering her too much.

the bottom line though, as people here said, i chose to take her outside sometimes, when i do i am constantly concious of her mood and body language. no its not ideal but its how i chose to keep her and i will deal with the consequences, i respect your right to treat your snakes how you like but this is how i chose to keep mine.

maybe someday i will regret it, and it will be my fault that i lost a friend if it happens

[marvelfreak]

I think the differences between those two examples and a concert is that anyone attending a show or educational show KNOWS what will be there. If they are afraid, they avoid them.
Good point. What i am try to say is it can be done, but it needs to be done in a responsible way and for the right reasons.

[Aaron_S]

2 things about the concert, i stayed way back from the stage, the bag she was in is lined with a very fluffy blanket which probably absorbed a lot. and i may be wrong but i took it as a sign of relaxation that she poked her head out to look around that it wasnt bothering her too much.

the bottom line though, as people here said, i chose to take her outside sometimes, when i do i am constantly concious of her mood and body language. no its not ideal but its how i chose to keep her and i will deal with the consequences, i respect your right to treat your snakes how you like but this is how i chose to keep mine.

maybe someday i will regret it, and it will be my fault that i lost a friend if it happens

The snake can feel vibrations through the ground, then through you. Fluffy blanket isn't stopping them. They are highly sensitive to these sounds.


So I went searching here's the link and I'll point out the parts meant for you.

http://www.peterborough.ca/Assets/City+Assets/By-Laws/Miscellaneous/Animal+Registration+-+Chapter+180.pdf

Article 2 180.2.10

To sum it up, if your pet is a CITES animal (ball pythons are) you are required to have that paperwork of the existing animal. So you may want to talk to City Hall in this regard in case they ever want to ask you for it while you're out and about.

Article 6

No python or boa shall be kept off property of the owner;except

a)in a SECURE ENCLOSURE while on public property. (This isn't a bag that isn't tied at the end)

b)Kept under control while on public property (This is very broad and a snake that isn't properly contained in the above exemption could be considered "not under control" especially since the snake can not be trained.

180.6.2 An owner shall ensure the safe keeping of their animal (allowing random people at a concert or elsewhere could be considered the opposite since it creates levels of stress for no reason)

Don't forget the last section where you need to pay $10 to the Clerk to own your snake. (It is a one time deal)

If someone hated snakes and you brought it near them they could get a bylaw officer to take it away for a number of reasons that I have listed. This is why we suggest such things and everyone should know their local laws. You obviously do not.

[Corey209]

Nothing wrong with your English. Wow he been here 3 months and doesn't want to be call a newb. Sound like he just got a new permanent nick name. lol

Just saying.

I am a "newb" to someone who has been here for a long time, the first members were registered in what 02? She has been here since September 2011. Would I be offended if someone like Aaron called me a newb? No I wouldn't be because to him I am a newb. Like I said I wasn't trying to instigate something so I changed what my post said right after I had posted it only to be called a name. You also might want to look up what keyboard warrior means.

[Gravelanche]

huh, now thats interesting, will definitely look into that more, but if you are waiting for me to throw my hands up and scream YOU WERE RIGHT its not gonna happen, i stand by what i've done so far.

[lady_bug87]

I am a "newb" to someone who has been here for a long time, the first members were registered in what 02? She has been here since September 2011. Would I be offended if someone like Aaron called me a newb? No I wouldn't be because to him I am a newb. Like I said I wasn't trying to instigate something so I changed what my post said right after I had posted it only to be called a name. You also might want to look up what keyboard warrior means.

I know my English ain't fancy but I'm pretty sure I said newb shenanigans

You're the one who made the inference

[Aaron_S]

huh, now thats interesting, will definitely look into that more, but if you are waiting for me to throw my hands up and scream YOU WERE RIGHT its not gonna happen, i stand by what i've done so far.

No need. I know I am.

[Gravelanche]

then can we stop posting about it in the thread that was just to show off my pretty baby?

[KORBIN5895]

Pretty snake! What is it?

As for the noobs. What can you do with them?

[Gravelanche]

Pretty snake! What is it?

As for the noobs. What can you do with them?

She is just a regular ball python, as far as i know no special characteristics

[marvelfreak]

Nice looking snake.

[marvelfreak]

Double post sorry.

[Gravelanche]

well this whole thread has just gone to **** lol

[Corey209]

I know what it means. Keyboard warrior is someone who runs there mouth about other people English just to make themselves feel better about their short comings.

Say the word and i'll be happy to give you my address. I have no problem backing up my words.

Keyboard warrior can be about anything not just English, and I didn't say something to make myself feel better because honestly I'm pretty happy with myself.

Like I said, I edited what I put because I didn't want to instigate anything so I'm not sure how that makes me a keyboard warrior.

You can have my address as well if you want to fly to California.

[Ms. Medusa]

well this whole thread has just gone to **** lol

That it has--but its a 'hot' thread now isn't it! And Cleopatra will be the name to know in the future.

Looking back in a year we'll all say-- "I knew Cleopatra when she was a party animal..."


lol

[Gravelanche]

HAH fair enough, i posted a pick of my new BRB in that forum room if anyone wants to see him too, dont worry i wont take him on the town lol

[KORBIN5895]

She is just a regular ball python, as far as i know no special characteristics

Really?!?!?!(

[marvelfreak]

well this whole thread has just gone to **** lol
Gravelanche

I just like to say i am sorry for derailing your thread.

[lady_bug87]

Keyboard warrior can be about anything not just English, and I didn't say something to make myself feel better because honestly I'm pretty happy with myself.

Like I said, I edited what I put because I didn't want to instigate anything so I'm not sure how that makes me a keyboard warrior.

You can have my address as well if you want to fly to California.

O my god Corey grow the hell up. If you had the stones to type it allll out you should have just hit the post button. Though I'm pretty sure a typo doesn't constitute a large bash match. You being an insolent pup on the other hand is a very good reason.

If you're interested in my curriculum vitae please feel free to pm me.

And thanks Chuck but considering he's one of the more insignificant members on here I would let it go.

[Corey209]

O my god Corey grow the hell up. If you had the stones to type it allll out you should have just hit the post button. Though I'm pretty sure a typo doesn't constitute a large bash match. You being an insolent pup on the other hand is a very good reason.

If you're interested in my curriculum vitae please feel free to pm me.

And thanks Chuck but considering he's one of the more insignificant members on here I would let it go.

Please stop derailing the thread, this is now about his very nice normal ball python with no special traits. Growing up is something you might want to look into, now if we could switch back over.

You do have a nice BP, good size and colors.

[lady_bug87]

You're the one who detailed it in the first place....

[infernalis]

I'm all done with this nonsense.