View Full Version : Getting a Savannah Monitor is this a good Temp tank?
This is going to be a temp tank for a baby savannah monitor for maybe 1-2 months its a 29 gallon, i have 1 foot of sandy soil, a basking spot of 135-150 ambient temps 70-80, i have a humidifyer for the humidity and it stays at a constant 65-80, I have acoupe coark bark logs in the back left cornor so he can go in there to cool off if he wants. Let me know if you think its good or bad ill be getting the sav in like 1-2 weeks then ill be able to build the 7x4x4 enclsoure when i move then it will go in there so that will hopfully be done in 1 month if not 2 months tops.
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Pirarucu
02-20-13, 08:40 PM
IMO it appears that it would work. You will hear a lot about glass tanks being bad for monitors, which they usually are. However, it doesn't matter so long as the cage is holding the humidity and heat the monitor needs, which it appears yours is.
I would say the adult cage should be a bit bigger though.
infernalis
02-20-13, 08:55 PM
it will be outgrown in about a month to six weeks.
given proper support, they put on an inch a week+
IMO it appears that it would work. You will hear a lot about glass tanks being bad for monitors, which they usually are. However, it doesn't matter so long as the cage is holding the humidity and heat the monitor needs, which it appears yours is.
I would say the adult cage should be a bit bigger though.
Alright cool, Yeah iv heard their bad too thats why i was wondering if it would be ok. Really how big do you think a 8x4x4?
it will be outgrown in about a month to six weeks.
given proper support, they put on an inch a week+
oh really well i dont really want to like waste my money on building a temp cage because it will out grow it faster, if i give it proper temps and humidity but hold back on the feeding a little bit will it slow down the growth a little or will that just mess it all up? because i could maybe wait on getting one and just build the adult enclsoure first
Pirarucu
02-20-13, 09:10 PM
Alright cool, Yeah iv heard their bad too thats why i was wondering if it would be ok. Really how big do you think a 8x4x4?At least, yes. Even that will still be the bare minimum, if you can go bigger I would advise you to do so. They can live in an 8x4x4, sure. But their behavior will be so much more interesting in an even larger cage.
At least, yes. Even that will still be the bare minimum, if you can go bigger I would advise you to do so. They can live in an 8x4x4, sure. But their behavior will be so much more interesting in an even larger cage.
hmm yeah ill see if i can make a bigger cage i could actually go to 9 foot that would be from one end of the room to the other but id have to see what is ok
Aaron_S
02-20-13, 09:36 PM
I'd wait on getting the animal until you have a larger enclosure ready. There's plenty of savannah's for sale so no hurry.
infernalis
02-20-13, 10:09 PM
I started mine right out in an adult size enclosure, no regrets.
And please don't attempt to stunt any animals growth, I will lose all respect before we even get started.
Read over my web site like gospel.
Links in my signature.
I started mine right out in an adult size enclosure, no regrets.
And please don't attempt to stunt any animals growth, I will lose all respect before we even get started.
Read over my web site like gospel.
Links in my signature.
Yeah alright ill just wait untill the adult enclsoure is done then. Ok i wont try any of that stuff,, what do you think i could put in this enclsoure instead of a savannah?
infernalis
02-20-13, 10:55 PM
recover some of that substrate and get a snake or a gecko.
poison123
02-20-13, 11:12 PM
recover some of that substrate and get a snake or a gecko.
Better yet keep all the substrate and get a snake or gecko :)
ilovemypets1988
02-21-13, 02:50 AM
get a burrowing tarantula, easy to look after and care for, wont need to remove any substrate and would make an excellent feature in any room.
go for something interesting that will build a web, something like the Socotra Island Blue Baboon or the green bottle blue, or the cobalt blue. :D
Pirarucu
02-21-13, 07:04 AM
recover some of that substrate and get a snake or a gecko.Or leave the substrate, depending on the species you get.. Perhaps try a species of skink, and keep it like a monitor. Species tend to thrive across the board when you apply monitor-keeping principles to their care..
Lankyrob
02-21-13, 08:01 AM
Are those rocks supported or could an animal burrow undere them and get squished?
infernalis
02-21-13, 08:29 AM
Are those rocks supported or could an animal burrow undere them and get squished?
Great observation.. I cannot see how they would be secured.
Are those rocks supported or could an animal burrow undere them and get squished?
those rocks are like half to quarter an inch thick they are not heavy but yeah they can get under them but im not to worried about them being squished
Lankyrob
02-21-13, 09:58 AM
those rocks are like half an inch thick they are not heavy but yeah they can get under them but im not to worried about them being squished
An animal could still get trapped by them tho. They should be on a solid base and well supported to be safe.
An animal could still get trapped by them tho. They should be on a solid base and well supported to be safe.
Yeah true well since i cant really like just put them at the bottom what if i buy some pvc pipe and just put one bar on each rock? do you think that could work?
infernalis
02-21-13, 10:23 AM
Anything that sits on top of the substrate can be burrowed under.
You could rig up some PVC "legs" to support the rocks, but then you would have to epoxy the rocks to the legs, or drill holes in the rocks to strap them down.
infernalis
02-21-13, 10:48 AM
Hello Crondiesel.
How have you been?
Anything that sits on top of the substrate can be burrowed under.
You could rig up some PVC "legs" to support the rocks, but then you would have to epoxy the rocks to the legs, or drill holes in the rocks to strap them down.
Yeah ill just get some pvc and silicone them on
murrindindi
02-21-13, 11:17 AM
it will be outgrown in about a month to six weeks.
given proper support, they put on an inch a week+
No they don`t Wayne, at least not for more than a very short time, otherwise your two would now be over 120cm (4feet) and they`re not even close! ;)
Pirarucu
02-21-13, 05:19 PM
No they don`t Wayne, at least not for more than a very short time, otherwise your two would now be over 120cm (4feet) and they`re not even close! ;)They do at first, certainly long enough to outgrow that cage.. Wayne's slowed down a while back.
Are those rocks supported or could an animal burrow undere them and get squished?
well after i got the pvc pipes and i pushed them into the dirt i forgot i already put like this little cave thing under the dirt so the whole time i did have some thing supporting it and i forgot about it haha so it will be ok for sure
infernalis
02-21-13, 08:00 PM
No they don`t Wayne, at least not for more than a very short time, otherwise your two would now be over 120cm (4feet) and they`re not even close! ;)
They slowed down at the 3 foot mark.. but you knew that. ;)
They do at first, certainly long enough to outgrow that cage.. Wayne's slowed down a while back.
He knows how fast they grew.
Stefan is on at least 3 other forums that I am on.
Not even sure where his "no they don't" came from, he seemed very agreeable elsewhere.
murrindindi
02-22-13, 11:32 AM
They slowed down at the 3 foot mark.. but you knew that. ;)
He knows how fast they grew.
Stefan is on at least 3 other forums that I am on.
Not even sure where his "no they don't" came from, he seemed very agreeable elsewhere.
Hi Wayne, I must have missed something, I remember you saying a few weeks ago one measured 30 inches, the other 27 (I think you`ve kept them for almost one year), given they would have measured around 6 inches ToL when you got them, their growth is reasonable for a properly supported captive Varanid of the medium to large species (averaging 2+ - inches per month?), and I know one was doing better than the other for some time (now improved, I believe)?
If anyone of you have monthy (or whatever) growth rates written down on any species of medium to large Varanid kept under properly supportive conditions, can you please put them up so we can all get an idea of what actually happens in the first couple of years or so when normally the rates are at their highest?
In my personal experience they can and do grow very quickly when properly supported, but not at the ridiculous rates I often hear (I`ve heard of 6 to 12inches per month)!?
infernalis
02-22-13, 11:46 AM
in my personal experience they can and do grow very quickly when properly supported, but not at the ridiculous rates I often hear (I`ve heard of 6 to 12inches per month)!?
Yeah, that's just crazy.... It started out kinda slow, then they started eating small mice and pinky rats, that's when growth spurted the most.
I wish I had the space, the woman down the road offered to give me her rabbit colonies for free.
They breed like rats, and both of my lizards are taking down rabbit pups no problem.
murrindindi
02-22-13, 11:50 AM
They do at first, certainly long enough to outgrow that cage.. Wayne's slowed down a while back.
Hi, they`re just one year old at this time, if they slowed down "a while back" then I think something wasn`t quite right!?
murrindindi
02-22-13, 11:56 AM
Yeah, that's just crazy.... It started out kinda slow, then they started eating small mice and pinky rats, that's when growth spurted the most.
I wish I had the space, the woman down the road offered to give me her rabbit colonies for free.
They breed like rats, and both of my lizards are taking down rabbit pups no problem.
I used to get the dead at birth "pygmy" rabbits from a neighbour (I can`t remember if that was what they are called), excellent items.
So will you try and take a measurment of them both (no guessing allowed)!? ;)
Not forgetting a few tailbase pics, that`s extremely important now because of their size, both quite likely to be sexually mature.
infernalis
02-22-13, 12:02 PM
I almost always have the camera with me in the reptile room. So if they cooperate, you will get your pics.
Anyway, one thing I like about Rabbit pups, they have more bone in them than rats or mice at the same age.
varanus_mad
02-22-13, 02:29 PM
Hi Wayne, I must have missed something, I remember you saying a few weeks ago one measured 30 inches, the other 27 (I think you`ve kept them for almost one year), given they would have measured around 6 inches ToL when you got them, their growth is reasonable for a properly supported captive Varanid of the medium to large species (averaging 2+ - inches per month?), and I know one was doing better than the other for some time (now improved, I believe)?
If anyone of you have monthy (or whatever) growth rates written down on any species of medium to large Varanid kept under properly supportive conditions, can you please put them up so we can all get an idea of what actually happens in the first couple of years or so when normally the rates are at their highest?
In my personal experience they can and do grow very quickly when properly supported, but not at the ridiculous rates I often hear (I`ve heard of 6 to 12inches per month)!?
Argus & whitethroat both grew roughly an inch a week for 6 months then droppd to 1/2" a month.
murrindindi
02-22-13, 03:28 PM
Argus & whitethroat both grew roughly an inch a week for 6 months then droppd to 1/2" a month.
Hi, thanks for the details, that sounds more like it. It would be nice to have keepers offer accurate measurements over a long period (not that too many manage to keep them that long). ;)
I have growth records taken over 10 years for my Ornate monitor, and some more on V. salvator and V. bengalensis (a couple of years each).
War Machine
02-22-13, 09:07 PM
With my White throat, i noted roughly 4" a month for 4-5 months. Since then, his spurts come and go, I'm seeing a spurt now. The black throat is not far behind.
Grendel
02-22-13, 11:37 PM
I have been keeping a growth chart of my varanus ornatus. Here is what I have so far. The numbers on the bottom axis are weeks with some dates below them.
Philmul
02-23-13, 04:49 AM
Yeah, that's just crazy.... It started out kinda slow, then they started eating small mice and pinky rats, that's when growth spurted the most.
I wish I had the space, the woman down the road offered to give me her rabbit colonies for free.
They breed like rats, and both of my lizards are taking down rabbit pups no problem.
Ah. I breed rabbits but not for food only pets, they are to cute. Lol, I wouldn't want anything that I have to feed it rabbits. That's why I like my boa. Who gets full with rats
murrindindi
02-23-13, 10:51 AM
With my White throat, i noted roughly 4" a month for 4-5 months. Since then, his spurts come and go, I'm seeing a spurt now. The black throat is not far behind.
Hi, that`s the point, you say "roughly" 4 inches per month, so could it actually have been 5, 3, or 2.5?
It`s tricky sometimes to get accurate measurements, but there are ways to make it easier, such as marking a log/stone etc, so you at least get the SV length, the tail length is quite easy to check accurately (obviously I`m talking of relatively tractable monitors)!
BeardedDee
02-23-13, 11:52 AM
Rabbits?...
australian lizard swallows a rabbit on golf course - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNydKEW74Ns)
Corey209
02-23-13, 11:54 AM
Rabbits?...
australian lizard swallows a rabbit on golf course - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNydKEW74Ns)
That's intense.
Rabbits?...
australian lizard swallows a rabbit on golf course - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNydKEW74Ns)
That was AWESOME!
DeadlyDesires
02-23-13, 12:11 PM
what kind of lizard is that?
Corey209
02-23-13, 12:24 PM
what kind of lizard is that?
I'm going to guess Lace monitor.
DeadlyDesires
02-23-13, 01:22 PM
its a beautiful monitor :D
Philmul
02-24-13, 04:53 AM
Rabbits?...
australian lizard swallows a rabbit on golf course - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNydKEW74Ns)
He made short work of that.
varanus_mad
02-24-13, 05:10 AM
Rabbits?...
australian lizard swallows a rabbit on golf course - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNydKEW74Ns)
That was awesome.
BeardedDee
02-24-13, 05:23 AM
That's intense.
That was AWESOME!
He made short work of that.
That was awesome.
Wasn't it just? and I thought 1 under was a birdie!:D
Pirarucu
02-24-13, 07:22 AM
Sweet pest control system.. LOL
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