Importing Lace Monitors?

[monitorlizard]

In the Bronx Zoo thread Crocdoc said that he saw two juvenile lace monitors(I assume in Australia) before they were shipped to the Bronx Zoo. I thought that Australia stopped exporting?

[infernalis]

to the private sector... that does not include zoo exchanges.

[Pirarucu]

^This. Zoos can still trade.

[fldaddy2]

I have a zoo in my living room. Anyone think I could convince them to send me 1?! LOL. That's the only monitor I've wanted more than a BT.

[infernalis]

Some are gradually making the way in from Europe... be patient.

I know of a bell phase pair that came in a few months ago, they are already placed.

[Aaron_S]

Some are gradually making the way in from Europe... be patient.

I know of a bell phase pair that came in a few months ago, they are already placed.

These are legit? So the offspring could then be exported?

[Pirarucu]

Some are gradually making the way in from Europe... be patient.

I know of a bell phase pair that came in a few months ago, they are already placed.Who did those go to anyways? I had hoped John and Gregg would keep and breed them.. I hope they went to someone who knows what they're doing.

[infernalis]

These are legit? So the offspring could then be exported?

I don't know about "Legit" but to the best of my knowledge, Oz has export restrictions, other countries have no such restrictions, as they are not a native species anywhere but Australia.

Crocdoc is the one to ask, he would know better than any of us.

[ilovemypets1988]

all i can really tell you is that over here in the uk, imports and exports are strictly controlled and monitored and usually, only venomous animals are location checked (because of lisencing laws here) but i cant really tell you what species requires what for it to be exported.

i will tell you this, the conditions in which the animals are packed in are scrutinized to the highest of extents (they open every crate and check every animal, regardless of what it is) and if anything is wrong, it will be corrected or if major, they will prosecute the shipper.

hope that helps your question somehow

[philipniceguy]

There is a healthy amount in EU now I personaly know of 10 within the EU and at least two people maybe a third has pairs. One seems to breed them every year. If everything goes to plan i'm sure your start to see many many more over the next few years though how many get to US i'm not sure. Though as already said at least two are there

[varanus1]

I spoke to a guy at a reptile show this weekend who said he had bells here in the US so their is hope for others to get them but may take a while.

[Gregg M]

Who did those go to anyways? I had hoped John and Gregg would keep and breed them.. I hope they went to someone who knows what they're doing.

I can not say who has them because the guy is private. All I can say is that we would have not sold them to someone who was not 100% capable of doing what we would be able to do with them.

And dont worry, we will have our own pair to work with soon. Most likely by summer.

I spoke to a guy at a reptile show this weekend who said he had bells here in the US so their is hope for others to get them but may take a while.

Who was the guy? Me and John were the only ones to bring them in legally into the US.

[varanus1]

I can not say who has them because the guy is private. All I can say is that we would have not sold them to someone who was not 100% capable of doing what we would be able to do with them.

And dont worry, we will have our own pair to work with soon. Most likely by summer.



Who was the guy? Me and John were the only ones to bring them in legally into the US.


All i remember was first name was chris.

[jarich]

I can not say who has them because the guy is private. All I can say is that we would have not sold them to someone who was not 100% capable of doing what we would be able to do with them.

And dont worry, we will have our own pair to work with soon. Most likely by summer.



Who was the guy? Me and John were the only ones to bring them in legally into the US.

Gotta figure anyone with, and willing to spend, that kind of money on them is going to be taking care of them like they were his own children. Cant wait to see yours when you get them.

[Gregg M]

All i remember was first name was chris.

Unless you saw a pic or the actual animal, yhe guy was bullshitting...

[varanus1]

Unless you saw a pic or the actual animal, yhe guy was bullshitting...

I got that impression as he claimed he has connections to import many rare to USA monitors many from europe also said he had merterns eggs cooking.

[stephanbakir]

They still pop up on import lists every now and then (Canadian import lists)
Hell they are on the lists right now, duno if they were legally exported tho...

[Gregg M]

I got that impression as he claimed he has connections to import many rare to USA monitors many from europe also said he had merterns eggs cooking.

Even more BS right there. There is no one in the US who has a working pair of merts. What show was it?

[red ink]

I got connections too! Everyone hit me up for lace monitors!

Me too....

[infernalis]

Me too....

Wouldn't doubt that mate.....:Wow:

[Aaron_S]

Me too....

Don't give up our sweet connection for all things Aussie! I buy them from you and jack up the price on suckers over here.

[red ink]

Don't give up our sweet connection for all things Aussie! I buy them from you and jack up the price on suckers over here.

Done... we'll even sneak in some locale specific animals (carpets, Antaresias etc.. etc..) and triple our profits.

[Aaron_S]

I like the way you think...

[jhinton6932]

if monitors could be rapped in plastic, or stuffed in fake cakes, or disassembled and shipped in seperate pieces, wed have aussie monitors over here quickly. not sure why the export laws are so strict but i get why the imort laws are also after the kane toad stuff down under way back when. nice monitors, look good, but that "i have a 10k lizard" mentality is just making it harder to get them. its like anything, you run it through the laundry enough times it eventually becomes clean, not thats its right or ethical, but none the less it will at some point happen and the price will go down below 1000$ in time

[stephanbakir]

Not exactly sure what you meant, had to make sure I was reading it right.
You are aware that "the kane toad stuff" down there is an ongoing epidemic right?
Either way, if you try hard you can still find Lace monitors at a reasonably price. I know the makasar port and the java port get them from time to time, there are small island colonies that are farmed pretty heavily.

[Gregg M]

there are small island colonies that are farmed pretty heavily.

What islands are those? As far as I know, lace monitors are not found anywhere off of mainland Australia.

[varanus_mad]

What islands are those? As far as I know, lace monitors are not found anywhere off of mainland Australia.

And i thought the aussie island stuff wasnt being exported either?

[stephanbakir]

What islands are those? As far as I know, lace monitors are not found anywhere off of mainland Australia.
Some were exported originally to makasar (sula) and java, at least thats what the exporters tell you, email me at Stephanbakir@gmail.com and I'll send you the import list + the guys contact info
And i thought the aussie island stuff wasnt being exported either?
It's not, but whatever left before the laws past and their babies are still out there, carpets etc.

[crocdoc]

not sure why the export laws are so strict

Because if reptile exports were legal it would be too easy to rort the system and start sneaking out rare reptiles, or start raiding wild nests to sell WC animals as 'CB'.

Some were exported originally to makasar (sula) and java, at least thats what the exporters tell you

The key line in this quote is "at least that's what the exporters tell you". Yes, someone is feeding you a line about smuggled animals.

1. Reptile export out of Australia has been illegal for a long time and no one was breeding them, then, so the story of breeding lines predating the ban on exports is exactly that - a story.

2. Why on earth would they be exported to Java and Sula, of all places?

3. It's no coincidence that Indonesia is known for a rorted export system whereby WC animals are smuggled out as 'CB', therefore Java and Sula are named as the places where lace monitors are 'heavily farmed' (lol). Lace monitors aren't farmed anywhere.

[infernalis]

Any clue how FR came into having Lace & Perentie?

[Gregg M]

Any clue how FR came into having Lace & Perentie?

Frank Retes never had perenties. A shipment he had coming in with one was stopped and seized by USFW before it ever got to him because someone (who will remain nameless) contacted the proper people to get it stopped. Seems there was a huge lack in proper paperwork proving the animals legality. So the person who blew the wistle made the right call in my opinion.

As for his lace monitors, He never legally imported them from anywhere. They had no CITES or paper trail at all. So, who knows how he got them. Obviously, no one ever cared enough to look into it.

[infernalis]

So his Perentie stories are a big crock?

[Gregg M]

So his Perentie stories are a big crock?

A complete crock. Have you ever seen a photo of one of his perenties?

[lady_bug87]

A complete crock. Have you ever seen a photo of one of his perenties?

This sounds vaguely familiar....

[infernalis]

A complete crock. Have you ever seen a photo of one of his perenties?

Give me a minute...

[Pirarucu]

It seems like I saw one or two photos of a Perentie that allegedly belonged to him. No clue if it was legitimate or not, probably not. If he did own one, I'm confident there was some shady stuff going on.

EDIT: Here it is:
http://www.australianaddiction.com/FR_perentie1.jpg

[infernalis]

That's the one I was going for.... I have another..

Just have to go get it.

[infernalis]

Supposedly taken in Arizona. Dan Forth??

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l144/NDanforth83/P1030.jpg

[stephanbakir]

Are my eyes playing tricks on me or are his nails incredibly long... no way in hell his enclosure is appropriate.. just look at his rear foot

[monitorlizard]

This website says that Frank had a Perentie and that it was Female:
A visit to Frank Rete's Goanna Ranch (http://www.australianaddiction.com/Visit_FR.html)

[varanus_mad]

Some were exported originally to makasar (sula) and java, at least thats what the exporters tell you, email me at Stephanbakir@gmail.com and I'll send you the import list + the guys contact info

It's not, but whatever left before the laws past and their babies are still out there, carpets etc.

Well that sounds like a lot of BS Thered be hundreds about by now if that was the case.

You only have to look at the aussie stuff that made it to know that,

[Gregg M]

This website says that Frank had a Perentie and that it was Female:
A visit to Frank Rete's Goanna Ranch (http://www.australianaddiction.com/Visit_FR.html)

I need to correct my statement.
Supposedly Frank did have a female. It was the male he tried to "bring in" That got seized.

That photo from 2009 is no way and animal Frank owned.

The first photo looks more like a taxidermy lizard than a live one sir. Hahahahahahaha.

[infernalis]

I need to correct my statement.
Supposedly Frank did have a female. It was the male he tried to "bring in" That got seized.

That photo from 2009 is no way and animal Frank owned.

The first photo looks more like a taxidermy lizard than a live one sir. Hahahahahahaha.

To be honest, I would bet that the photo from 2009 was taken in OZ, because why would anyone in their right mind, hold an unrestrained Perentie outside in the open like that?

[monitorlizard]

To be honest, I would bet that the photo from 2009 was taken in OZ, because why would anyone in their right mind, hold an unrestrained Perentie outside in the open like that?

I was also wondering about that.

[Pirarucu]

To be honest, I would bet that the photo from 2009 was taken in OZ, because why would anyone in their right mind, hold an unrestrained Perentie outside in the open like that?Well now that you mention it....

It was not taken in Australia, there aren't prickly pear cactus or cholla in OZ. Frank seems to have a thing for taking pictures of unrestrained monitors outside.. Did you see the pictures of when he got his Green Trees?

[infernalis]

Well now that you mention it....

It was not taken in Australia, there aren't prickly pear cactus or cholla in OZ. Frank seems to have a thing for taking pictures of unrestrained monitors outside.. Did you see the pictures of when he got his Green Trees?

No I didn't. Things boil over quickly whenever I frequent anyplace he goes, so I tend to avoid him.

[Pirarucu]

No I didn't. Things boil over quickly whenever I frequent anyplace he goes, so I tend to avoid him.I only observe, mainly through the reptile report.

[crocdoc]

That's FR's perentie. He did have a female, but I can't recall if it's still alive.

It was not taken in Australia, there aren't prickly pear cactus or cholla in OZ.
You're right in that the photo was definitely not taken in Australia, but (being a pedant here) there are actually prickly pears (but no cholla) in Australia. Prickly pear were introduced here way back when and have been a pest species, since. They introduced a moth (Cactoblastis cactorum) which has managed to get rid of most of them, but the odd patch still remains. I saw some last week.

The other evidence that the photo was taken in the US is the guy holding the monitor, Nate. He's a friend of FR and, based on things he's said in assorted posts over the years, I think it's fair to say that he's never seen a monitor in the wild. I dare say he probably doesn't own a passport.

[infernalis]

rumour has it there are Lace Monitors in Georgia... One of Krusty's (Justin) buddies.

[crocdoc]

Yes, there are. I know him as well.

[infernalis]

Yes, there are. I know him as well.

I know you know.:D

[_Varanidae_]

What islands are those? As far as I know, lace monitors are not found anywhere off of mainland Australia.

Gregg, Lace monitors are found on several islands off the east coast of Australia, in the states of Queensland (e.g., Whitsunday Islands, Frazier Island, South Stradbroke Island, Bribie Island...) and Victoria (e.g., Phillip Island), and maybe New South Wales as well?

[crocdoc]

Gregg, Lace monitors are found on several islands off the east coast of Australia...

I think you've taken his quote out of context. This was the original context (a suggestion that there are island colonies of lace monitors not governed by Australia's wildlife export laws):

Either way, if you try hard you can still find Lace monitors at a reasonably price. I know the makasar port and the java port get them from time to time, there are small island colonies that are farmed pretty heavily.