What Type Of Carpet Python?

[89Bronco]

I am in the process of getting two carpet pythons. Both are 5ft. Male and Female. The female according to the guy I am getting them from says she is a red phase coastal. Now he says the male is an Jungle/Diamond mix. I am so excited to get these guys! They are eating frozen rats already. I am not to familiar with the differences between the Coastal, Jungle, and the Irian Jaya. I know that they are different in sizes once full grown but am not sure how to tell them apart. I am hoping you guys can help me with that. This is also my first post on here! I am Ken and live in central Va. I have had ball pythons in the past when I was like 13 but had to give them away according to some stuff going on. I have really been missing my snakes so I am now getting back into them. Just as pets. Been looking around and I am really liking the Carpets! Thanks for any help guys!

Ken

[89Bronco]

I am having trouble posting photos from photobucket.com.

[infernalis]

The software has a five post minimum before pictures can be posted.

Blame it on the spammers and trolls.

[EmbraceCalamity]

The software has a five post minimum before pictures can be posted.

Blame it on the spammers and trolls.Heeyyyyy. :(

~Maggot

[89Bronco]

Here is a photo of the male.

[89Bronco]

And one of the female.

[Donnie]

Hello and welcome Ken, welcome to the world of carpets you won't be disappointed

[marvelfreak]

They both look like they have diamond in them.

[shaunyboy]

imo neither of them look like a Coastal mate

first one looks like it may be a Diamond Jungle...

second one may be a some type of Jag Sibling,as may be the first one...

a clutch bred for the Jaguar Morph,only gives out roughly 50% Jaguars the rest Siblings that do not carry the Jaguar Gene...

theres no real way of telling what they are,unless you speak to the person who bred them...

they are both good looking carpets,regardless of what genetics are behind them

cheers shaun

[Will0W783]

I agree with Shaun. That male definitely looks like he has some diamond blood in him, and I see jungle influence as well. I don't see diamond in the female, although it's possible. I see the jungle influence but it's unlikely she is pure jungle.

[MoreliAddict]

The male is stunning. Black and white carpets are highly sought after, actually. And in my opinion, it does pass for a jungle X diamond..

[89Bronco]

Thanks so much for all the help guys! I will be going next week to get them! So excited!!!

[Snakeman8]

The male is stunning. Black and white carpets are highly sought after, actually. And in my opinion, it does pass for a jungle X diamond..
the same here

[89Bronco]

Well just got them today! He said the male was a little aggressive when inside the cage but once out is great! He lets me reach right in and grab him. The female is so nice! Very tame. They both are awesome! Anyway here are some photos. Here is Sampson the male.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/001-18_zps5a406cf6.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/002-17_zpsf0af4984.jpg
His eye looks a little sunken in. Is this normal?
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/010-16_zpsad434ffd.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/022-9_zps6291ab95.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/026-7_zps19083170.jpg
I hope you guys can help with trying to figure out what he is.
Here is the female Delilah.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/039-6_zpsa569badd.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/051-6_zps35474974.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/042-4_zpsc65bef77.jpg
Sorry for all the photos. The guy said that the female was 6 years old and that he has had her for about a year. She came from Richmond Constrictors. Not sure how long he had the male but I do know that he had him since he was young. They are both about 5ft. The photos make them look a lot whiter than they are. Let me know what you think. Still need to get another lamp and bulb.

Ken

[Jules1618]

Nice snakes, enjoy

[shaunyboy]

it's hard to tell from the picture posted,so could you take a picture of the eye your worried about,directly from the side of the head,it will give us a better view of the eye mate

good looking carpets

cheers shaun

[Lankyrob]

I agree with shaun, it looks like it could be a stuck eyecap but a clearer picture would help ;)

[89Bronco]

Here are photos of both eye. Hope this helps out. How do you guys figure out what % of diamond and jungle they are? I have seen people reference to that in percentages.
Thanks again. I have been misting them pretty good. I think it is a stuck eyecap. May also be some dehydration going on too so I have been misting them down.

Ken
The female is fine. These photos are of the male.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1069.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1072.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1073.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1074.jpg

[Lankyrob]

Am sure shaun can help you with those pics :) it looks almost like the scales around the eyes are dryed out and cracked?

[89Bronco]

He does still have some dead skin on his head. I am pretty sure that is unsheaded skin around the eyes. How can I remove it? I know that when there is a stuck eye capsule you can use some tape and gently lift it off.

[Donnie]

He does still have some dead skin on his head. I am pretty sure that is unsheaded skin around the eyes. How can I remove it? I know that when there is a stuck eye capsule you can use some tape and gently lift it off.

Never use tape to remove suck shed or on anything in your viv it can be very harmful

[89Bronco]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Donnie]

In the past I have used a damp tea towel to help remove stuck shed. Dampen it with warm water and then let the snake slither through it in your hands whilst applying a little pressure. Not sure how easy it will be to do on the head as I have only done it with some left on the tail and there was a clear edge to work from. I know Shaun has posted in the past in using something specific for retained eye caps so I will have a look and link to it if I can find it (on my phone at the moment so it may take me a little while to find)

[GUITARZAN509]

Really nice looking snakes

[pdomensis]

Very nice. And a good looking cage too.

[shaunyboy]

there's retained shed on the top of the head and eyes

i will pm you a method that works well,with these issues

cheers shaun

[89Bronco]

Thanks guys! I have been trying to keep the humidity up on them right now but it goes away so fast. I am spraying them down with a water bottle. Now the male is somewhat cage aggressive. The guy told me about this. Yesterday he let me pick him right up out of his cage and then today he was hissing and attempted bite. More of a warning. He could have easily latched on if he wanted to. He did not want to come off of his log in the heat. So we pulled the log/stick out and then let him come off of it. He then let me pick him up and was a total puppy dog! He is so tame once he is out of the cage. I am working with him. They used to feed them in the same cage. So thats what I am thinking is causing this reaction. I am going to feed them in a separate cage so they can associate that cage with food and not there housing cage. Also may be due to the dead skin around his eye. Probably itches like crazy. Anyway thanks for the complements and advice!!!

Ken

[Lankyrob]

The feeding in another cage theory is untrue mate. Something we all fell for at some point but logically.

The theory says that if you feed in viv then the snake will associate the door opening eith food and become aggressive.

Taking this logic if you feed outside the viv then the snake will associate being removed from the viv with food and become aggressive.

My carpet is viv DEFENSIVE and doesnt like being taken out but once he is out he is fine. It has taken two years to get to the point where we can get him out without biting. :)

[89Bronco]

Thanks so much for the correction! That does make sense. So I should feed them in the cage then? Will he stop doing the cage aggression thing? The female is just awesomely tame in and out of the cage.

[89Bronco]

Do you guys know a good place to get rats?

[Lankyrob]

Thanks so much for the correction! That does make sense. So I should feed them in the cage then? Will he stop doing the cage aggression thing? The female is just awesomely tame in and out of the cage.

The thing to remember is they are reptiles not mammals, they will never be "tame" or "trained", however some snakes will come to tolerate handling and being taken from their vivs with no issue. Some however will always be either defensive just in the viv or just ornery buggers that will bite for fun ;)

[89Bronco]

Here he is on his stick getting some heat.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1090.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1089.jpg

[89Bronco]

Ok guys I found two mites on the male. Any good suggestions on the best product to help with mites? I could not find any on the female. I am going to treat them both. I just bought all new floor bedding. Do I have to throw this away? Any advice would be great! Thanks


Ken

[Lankyrob]

If yu found two then you probably have hundreds ;) e good news is its easy to treat. Rather than dredging up old info here do a quick search mites and you will find loads of threads discussing treatment options :)

[shaunyboy]

PROVENT A MITE imo is the BEST mite treatment out there

it remains active for 30 days,no need for repeat treatments,like other products require

its also great for quarantine tanks

its the only mite product i use

he's a really good looking Carpet,you could try KY Jelly on the retained shed,if you can't find Viscotears,both are water based lubricants,so will not harm the snake

cheers shaun

[89Bronco]

How about using Nix? I have been reading alot about it and its sounds like it works the best. Once its diluted of course. Have any of you guys used this? Thanks for the advice guys!!!

Ken

[shaunyboy]

sorry i can't tell you anything about nix,as the only treatment ive ever had to use is...

provent a mite always works first time everytime,for me and everyone ive spoke to mate

also i like it because you do NOT put chemicals directly on the snake

simply put the snakes and water bowl in a seperate room...

then take out and spray the tanks contents

spray the tanks

wait 2 hours for the fumes to disapate...

then put the snakes back in,wash the water bowl with hot soapy water,and put back in the tank

job done mites dead

i'm NOT a fan of putting any chemicals on my snakes

cheers shaun

[89Bronco]

Ok sounds good to me Shaun. I will go with that. Thanks. It will have to wait until a week from Tuesday when I get paid. Is that going to be okay or does it have to be treated now? Thanks again!

[Lankyrob]

Ok sounds good to me Shaun. I will go with that. Thanks. It will have to wait until a week from Tuesday when I get paid. Is that going to be okay or does it have to be treated now? Thanks again!

The longer you wait the worst your infestation will be and the more chance of the snake getting ill and stressed out by the mites.

[89Bronco]

Ok I will try to get them treated as soon as I can. Thanks!

[shaunyboy]

Ok sounds good to me Shaun. I will go with that. Thanks. It will have to wait until a week from Tuesday when I get paid. Is that going to be okay or does it have to be treated now? Thanks again!

another week won't make much difference mate

once you hit them with provent a mite,they will all be dead:)

cheers shaun

[89Bronco]

Look what I found on our local forum! Here is what he said. "1.0 Male Carpet python (white in color, likely some diamond/coastal/jungle mutt) but a very good looking snake. Eats smaller medium sized frozen rats without color preference. Attitude is a little fiesty in the cage but has been handled by me since he was 14-16". Purchased originally from off the ark and comes with his 4x16x16 cage. 150$ (cage is melamine and homemade with locking front. 6x6 tiles routed out for belly heat which is not included)
0.1 Carpet python (much more yellow, pattern is very clean) 5' female eating frozen thawed medium rats. Puppy dog tame snake and comes with 29g sliding top tank and all accessories including heat lamp. Will need bigger cage once set up. 150$" Here is the link. I am not sure if it will ask you to register or not. Log in (http://www.vaherps.com/t2875-carpet-pythons-11-sub-adults-5) These are the snakes I just got. Pretty cool! I paid $140 for both of them. The male is great now in the cage by the way! He is actually more relaxed now than the female. Very sweet! Lets me reach right in there and pick him up. No problems. I am very happy with them!:) They both are awesome when it comes to handling (in) and out of there cage.

[89Bronco]

Ok guys. The PAM just got here! I have one concern though. When I spray the cage down with the PAM. After it has dried thoroughly. If I mist down the cage with water. Would that turn the chemical back into liquid form thus the snake absorbing some through the skin? Or once it has dried its then safe to bring the moisture back up. Thanks

Ken

[shaunyboy]

Ok guys. The PAM just got here! I have one concern though. When I spray the cage down with the PAM. After it has dried thoroughly. If I mist down the cage with water. Would that turn the chemical back into liquid form thus the snake absorbing some through the skin? Or once it has dried its then safe to bring the moisture back up. Thanks

Ken

unless you live somewhere with very low humidity,then you won't need to mist your carpets mate

over in the uk carpets shed at room humidity,which is anything from 45 to 90

what is the humidity when its at it's lowest ?

also provent a mites active for 30 days,so stopping misting for say 35 days,even in an area of low humidity,will not cause any real issues imo

cheers shaun

[Ms. Medusa]

Ok guys. The PAM just got here! I have one concern though. When I spray the cage down with the PAM. After it has dried thoroughly. If I mist down the cage with water. Would that turn the chemical back into liquid form thus the snake absorbing some through the skin? Or once it has dried its then safe to bring the moisture back up. Thanks

Ken


Ken,

My understanding with PAM has always been once its dry, it stays dry. I have used it on paper towels (dried thoroughly of course prior to placing in the enclosure) and was assured by the maker that even the towel getting wet would not pose a danger to the snake.

This is directly from the Pro-Products site:

Provent-a-mite™ is more effective and less expensive to use than other products to eradicate or prevent an infestation, with up to 4 times less required per treatment and is the only product proven to provide long term residual protection. Unlike all other products that stop working when or soon after they dry, Provent-a-Mite™ will bond to any treated surface and remain effective for up to 30 days or longer, continuously killing any potentially disease carrying mites or ticks. Once dry, Provent-a-Mite™ will not wash off and can be misted, wiped or washed without eliminating the effectiveness.
Link Below:
Pro-Products | Provent-a-Mite (http://www.pro-products.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=59)



Hope this helsp!!

[89Bronco]

Thanks soooo much guys!!! When its at its lowest 28% Thats where its at right now. When I misted it this morning it spiked to 83%. I am having trouble keeping it up. Its winter and cold here right now. The air is very dry. I also have a lamp on both cages right now. I have heard that can zap humidity quickly. The males eye did not have a stuck eyecap. The eye socket is swollen from the mites. Time to kill these little buggers! I plan on treating the cages in the morning. The female right now is getting cloudy. Her eyes have clouded up quite a bit. I am trying to keep the moisture up on her to help with the shedding. Can't wait to see how she looks when shes done!!!! They both ate a medium rat each. It took a while for her to get it down. How often should I feed these guys. Once every 1 to 2 weeks? Would one medium rat be enough or should I feed them more? They both ate great. The female did get a mouth full of dirt. Its clean now though. I am using Eco Earths Coconut substrate. Its says its digestible so hope she passes it fine. Its a very very fine texture. Thanks again for the advice! I still can't believe how calm and docile they are.

Ken

[shaunyboy]

i would feed once every 10 to 15 days,if a medium rat does not leave much of a feeding bulge,then put them onto large rats

cheers shaun

[89Bronco]

Here are their cages. Also some photos of them eating.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1108_zpsa52d4d04.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1120_zpsdd2c7a43.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1118_zps468b4096.jpg
Here he is after he ate one medium rat.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1123_zpsf05a26af.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/K-Nfishtaxidermy/IMAG1125_zps341e6c0b.jpg

[Snakeman8]

their beautiful snakes, diamond crosses are awesome!:)

[89Bronco]

Well guys. I need a quick answer! I might be getting another 9ft carpet. Very sweet and docile. Original owner since a baby. I don't really have the money to buy a large enclosure but am wondering. Could I keep him in a very large Tupperware container? I mean like a really big one? I really want him but can't spend $200 bucks for the ladys cage. She just wants him to go to a good home. Please let me know soon if this is possible. I have seen breeders house snakes in small enclosures. Rack system. Would this work for a snake this size. Thanks for any advice!!!

[89Bronco]

Thanks Snakeman8!

[shaunyboy]

Well guys. I need a quick answer! I might be getting another 9ft carpet. Very sweet and docile. Original owner since a baby. I don't really have the money to buy a large enclosure but am wondering. Could I keep him in a very large Tupperware container? I mean like a really big one? I really want him but can't spend $200 bucks for the ladys cage. She just wants him to go to a good home. Please let me know soon if this is possible. I have seen breeders house snakes in small enclosures. Rack system. Would this work for a snake this size. Thanks for any advice!!!

how would you heat the large tupperware container mate ?

i would be scared ceramics melted parts of it and a heat mat would do nothing for ambient air temps

i keep all my carpets in 4x2x2ft tanks,but anything over 8ft i'd put in a 6x2x2ft tank

re feeding
i would up their food size,as there is no really visable feeding bulge there

cheers shaun

[89Bronco]

Well it fell through. So your thinking I should try Large Rats? I will get some and will see how it goes. Thanks

Ken